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Thread ID: 23930	2002-08-29 10:56:00	Pop Up Ads -Whats the best program to get rid of them?	mejobloggs (264)	Press F1

Post ID	Timestamp	Content	User
74877	2002-08-31 04:47:00	In a word OPERA B-)	anthony851 (1663)
74878	2002-08-31 05:00:00	Aha!! But then if you're going to use Opera to solve your pop-up problems, you should read this (pressf1.co.nz) thread. If it ain't one thing, it's another... :D Cheers Kerry	Kerry Dodds (1477)
74879	2002-08-31 09:49:00	Kerry, if you read the thread properly, and my posts especially, the problem was with a couple of ads crashing Java. Unfortunately, it took Opera along with it too. It had absolutely nothing to do with pop-ups. Consider yourself reprimanded. :p	SoniKalien (792)
74880	2002-08-31 09:59:00	Why you little...!! Doh!! You're entirely right SoniKalien... I guess the point of my posts was to point out that by installing Opera to stop from seeing pop-ups, you could be swapping that solution for new problems. Will make it a bit clearer next time, for you slower types! ]:) Cheers Kerry PS. I can see why you thought I was off-base... from your point of view, I consider myself reprimanded. ;-)	Kerry Dodds (1477)
74881	2002-08-31 12:36:00	> PS. I can see why you thought I was off-base... from > your point of view, I consider myself reprimanded. > ;-) I can see why though, from your point of view, you would want to jump on anything that makes your job more difficult :^O	SoniKalien (792)
74882	2002-08-31 12:52:00	valid point... I guess it's also to ensure that people know the full story behind the various ad-blocking software, browsers, firewalls, content filters, etc. Some of them can be a real 'trap for young players', and there's not much information about how harmful some of these things can be. I'd like to think of it as being helpful, and providing information that might not otherwise be known. I would never want to stop people from using these things - just need to make sure they have all the facts. :-) Definitely nothing sinister intended! ;-) Cheers Kerry	Kerry Dodds (1477)
74883	2002-08-31 13:21:00	My name is Nuff. I am a fairy. Fairy Nuff. I guess from a surfer's point of view, we want the experince to be as smooth as possible, and to get relative content as fast as possible. Ads do not (unless they advertise genuinely helpfull stuff to surfers) promote this idealistic experience in anyway. I tend to get fired up over this, mainly because I remember when the internet (now spelled with a lower case i :D) was relatively ad-free. You could go on, get the information or WHY that you want, then log off. (Flat rates were rare an expensive for home users then) Now it's more of a case of log on, search, clickety click, battle pop-ups, battle the pop-ups that pop-up after you close the first ones, and so one. Honestly, I've had it so bad (so many pop-ups) and I tried battling but I lost major. Would have had about 50 ads popping up all at once before my PC quietly sighed, then went comatose. I have tried 3rd party programs, but have found than none work as good as Opera, because it is Opera that says, "No, I won't open a new window for you" instead of PopUpAdZapKillerAp saying "I don't think you're allowed a new window - hang on, I'll check.." rah rah rah yadda blah blah.... ...and meanwhile, behind the facade of this innocent looking bookstore...	SoniKalien (792)
74884	2002-09-01 00:22:00	Hey SoniKalien, Yes, I remember the days the 'Net used to be relatively ad free too... but there also weren't half as many sites, and the 'Net wasn't a commercial reality then - most companies didn't even have email, let alone a web site. But those days are gone, and web sites are a basic necessity of corporate life. Unfortunately, businesses require their products to produce revenue, or to provide an added service to the main revenue-bearing product, and that means that sites like ours need to pay for the 9 people and multiple resources that it takes to create and run sites like PressF1 (we now have 12 active sites!). I don't want to get onto the 'bleat bandwagon' again - you already know all of this. You did hit the nail on the head though when you said Ads do not (unless they advertise genuinely helpfull stuff to surfers) promote this idealistic experience in anyway. - the key part being 'unless they advertise genuinely helpful stuff to surfer'. This is what any reputable site worth it's weight is trying to achieve. My personal philosophy on this subject is that running advertising that is as useful and relevant to the site visitor as the content, makes for a win-win situation for everyone. I guess we online ad people are a bit more vocal on the topic, because unlike any other media, the site visitor has the power to limit the revenue a site can bring in (it's very hard to 'block' a newspaper, magazine or TV ad). So for me it seems logical that the consequences of weilding that power are known, just as sites are responsible for not annoying their visitors with obtrusive advertising that slows the surfing experience needlessly. Personally, I'd like more site visitors to tell me what they want to see in ads - that way, we can make sure that we get our revenue, the advertiser gets whatever they're trying to achieve and the site visitor has a much better experience. One other thing though.. sometimes the very methods visitors use to block ads and 'speed up their surfing', can actually slow it down. The more apps you have on your machine, the more chance you stand of them not playing nicely with each other. Anyhoo, as I said earlier, I'm not against visitors blocking ads, just as long as they know fully the consequences (both for themselves and for the site concerned), of their actions. Like most things in life really. Okay, that's enough for a Sunday... way too deep and meaningful!! :-) I'm off to celebrate my fiance's birthday - Yum Cha and movies... excellent! Have a good day and happy surfing! Cheers Kerry Dodds Online Campaign Director IDG Online Network of Sites	Kerry Dodds (1477)
74885	2002-09-01 01:35:00	>the key part being 'unless they advertise genuinely helpful stuff to surfer'. This is what any reputable site worth it's weight is trying to achieve. Unfortunately for those relying on revenue from advertising, showing ads that inform visitors about X-Setup and the likes (which are helpfull to people who visit PressF1) is not likely to generate much income. >sometimes the very methods visitors use to block ads and 'speed up their surfing', can actually slow it down. The more apps you have on your machine, the more chance you stand of them not playing nicely with each other. Bingo. The very reason I use Opera. Because it works. :D	SoniKalien (792)
74886	2002-09-01 02:08:00	I know, I know, we have heard the arguments why sites need to earn revenue etc. etc. etc, and I think I can hear violins playing again :) BUT I for one dont like ads, block them where possible, and whilst the technology is still there to do that, will continue to do so even if it means sites go down the tubes. I DO strongly object to uninvited ads popping up, or half filling a page, some sites like Live365 are difficult to stop pop ups, or you can subscribe to the site and have an ad-free experience. They run ads to advertise that option :) The other option for sites that insist they need ads to pay for the site, would be presumably to have a clickable link to just advertising only pages. I for one would most probably go there just to see what is being advertised, more or less in the same way as I subscribe to the odd site that sends me email for computer parts specials. Thats not spam, its what I'VE asked for.	Terry Porritt (14)
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