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Thread ID: 125743	2012-07-16 09:44:00	CTV building and missing files etc	Digby (677)	PC World Chat

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1288872	2012-07-16 09:44:00	The guys that owns the company that designed the CTV building in Christchurch said that they can't find the disks with the files on them. "We don't have disks any more. In the February earthquake, everything ended up in a shambles so what we've done since is put everything on a hard drive," Dr Reay told the hearing, which today (Monday) entered its fourth week. What he is saying is just rubbish, it does not make sense. They just started using hard drives in February last year ? Hell I gave up on 8 inch floppy disk and 5 inch and 3 and half inch disk in the 90's ! What do you say ?	Digby (677)
1288873	2012-07-16 10:34:00	Brings back memories of Erebus and Air NZ ?	Ofthesea (14129)
1288874	2012-07-16 10:35:00	He didn't say "floppy", so by disks he could just as well meant compact disks. Just think of all the many posters on PF1 who claim to have lost their MS install disks, so no longer have a COA !	Terry Porritt (14)
1288875	2012-07-16 10:44:00	It's quite possible, very embarrassing but possible. As Terry said, thing of all of those among us (myself included) who have lost install CD's licence keys etc. Heck I know most of us have misplaced their wallet or phone, something we use every day. Unlike some dusty old architecture disks	The Error Guy (14052)
1288876	2012-07-16 10:53:00	At the time that the building was designed and built in the mid 80s computers were still using floppies. So it is quite possible that they got lost and quite possibly never got transferred over to cd/dvd as probably they had no need too. They didn't have a crystal ball in front of them saying there was going to be a big earthquake in about 25 years time. Digby I think you are barking up the wrong tree, trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. :)	Trev (427)
1288877	2012-07-16 11:34:00	A few years ago a records company in Wellington had to acknowledge (front page of The Dom) that they had no back ups at all and their only computer with the records went under water in a flood. The Earthquake caught a few firms out I gather who didn't have back ups on more than one site, I guess they never thought it could happen in Christchurch. So I reckon they could be telling it how it is.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1288878	2012-07-16 11:50:00	I thought the engineer said that his company had no legal obligation to have kept any files this long after the work was done. The Christchurch Council would have required all the documents as part of the building permit process. Why don't they still have them? In the case of some MOW designed buildings in Wellington AFAIK the WCC have the only decent copies of plans.	PaulD (232)
1288879	2012-07-16 11:53:00	How long are they supposed to be, or expected to, keep these sorts of records? Wouldn't the building have to have gone through some consent process? So the council would/should have some records too?	CYaBro (73)
1288880	2012-07-16 12:15:00	Mr Coatsworth told the hearing he was unable to access the building's structural drawing because council records were in disarray in the wake of the quake. www.rebuildchristchurch.co.nz www.scoop.co.nz Sounds like the council has them, not the developer or designer. As for job files, they dont have to be retained. The commission lawyer for victims' families, Marcus Elliot, earlier asked Reay why key documents requested by the commission had not been provided. Reay said not all files relating to the CTV building were retained. "We had no legal obligation to retain job files ... It was just us retaining what was appropriate," he said. Some company files held in an off-site storage facility had been ruined by a leaking roof, he said. Documents later supplied to the commission were found in a storage box marked "miscellaneous". Reay said he looked for more files, but found none. "I haven't been able to find any and I don't think there are any," he said. The information provided to the commission was printed from disks. Elliot asked Reay to produce the disks, but Reay said they were disposed of after being transferred to a hard drive.	Iantech (16386)
1288881	2012-07-16 20:25:00	a mountain out of a molehill. :) The entire investigation is a mountain out of a molehill. People cannot build anything that can stand up to a big enough natural disaster. trying to convince themselves they can is asking for tears later.	pctek (84)
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