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Thread ID: 125854	2012-07-23 20:37:00	Smoking & sale of tobacco	globe (11482)	PC World Chat

Post ID	Timestamp	Content	User
1290256	2012-07-24 23:23:00	I am in favour of tobacco products not being advertised which includes having them out of sight in shops. If they hadn't been a bunch of hypocrites they would have banned alcohol and gambling advertising at the same time as they did tobacco.	mikebartnz (21)
1290257	2012-07-24 23:23:00	The smoker, thinks of himself and only himself. However, when smoking in public, he is effectively forcing everyone around him to to smoke, therefore giving them the associated health risks. What he is doing by smoking in public is creating a negative externality. And, the way to correct this is by taxing the smoker, thus giving them an incentive not to smoke, and hence not to pass on the health risks to those they smoke around. Are you trying to sound intelligent?	mikebartnz (21)
1290258	2012-07-24 23:25:00	Heres a good one. I don't smoke, used to but gave up about 10 years ago. I reckon the restrictions on sale of tobacco, and the ongoing tightening on the smoking laws is going too far. I believe adults are mature enough to make a decision regarding smoking without the government telling people what they can and can't do. I understand (unconfirmed) that the tax and duty more than covers any increased health costs resulting from illnesses from smoking. And they are unable to do that with other drugs? Such as marijuana?	xyz823 (13649)
1290259	2012-07-24 23:30:00	I think the whole thing is a crock. In theory, next to is (as mentioned earlier) sweets, fizzies etc, maccas, fish and chips, alcohol, cars, busses, tractors, cows, meat, soaps...... the list is phenomenal. Its just what happens when you give lobbyist groups a bit of political power.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
1290260	2012-07-25 00:12:00	I understand (unconfirmed) that the tax and duty more than covers any increased health costs resulting from illnesses from smoking. I understand that the costs to the health system far outweigh the revenue gained by the government by a ratio of ten to one. This was confirmed in a study in the USA. There's no reason to believe that this proportion is any different here in NZ.	Greg (193)
1290261	2012-07-25 00:35:00	I understand that the costs to the health system far outweigh the revenue gained by the government by a ratio of ten to one. This was confirmed in a study in the USA. There's no reason to believe that this proportion is any different here in NZ. But do they take into account the fact that smokers are meant to have a shorter life span so puts less strain on the pension and that the aged also put a strain on the health system. Sorry but with the amount of tax on tobacco now I don't believe that ratio at all and it all depends on who is doing the study as to what the results will be and it doesn't impress me that a so called study in the USA confirms it.	mikebartnz (21)
1290262	2012-07-25 01:37:00	I smoke, but only a 30gm pack of tobacco a week. Maybe 10 a day. I dont need nor do I want someone telling me what I can do with my life in such matters. It defies belief! That sir, is the definition of "law", it tells you what you can and cannot do. As darkstar09 already pointed out, it happens currently with a great number of things. Look at Alcohol, it's legal to consume as much as you like and even kill yourself from it, but you're not allowed to drive after consuming a certain amount in a certain space of time (BAC). Consuming certain drugs is never legal, that's somebody telling you what you can and cannot do without your life. How is this any different? To be frank, I'm really of two minds about the whole ordeal. I don't care if others want to smoke, it's not a mind-altering substance so clearly the effects on the community are less than, say, weed or alcohol. You don't see news articles "10 killed in crash, driver had smoked 10 cigarettes earlier that day", so in that sense it's less of a public health hazard than other mind-altering substances. However it's a very physically altering substance. Heck I know that after smoking a single cigar, I can sometimes still taste it for up to 3 days afterwards!! Geez imagine actually inhaling the stuff...	Chilling_Silence (9)
1290263	2012-07-25 01:57:00	You don't see news articles "10 killed in crash, driver had smoked 10 cigarettes earlier that day" I'm loving it Chill!! :lol:	Greg (193)
1290264	2012-07-25 02:05:00	That sir, is the definition of "law", it tells you what you can and cannot do. No, it is simply a statement of the penalty to be imposed if they catch you doing it. :)	fred_fish (15241)
1290265	2012-07-25 02:09:00	However it's a very physically altering substance. Heck I know that after smoking a single cigar, I can sometimes still taste it for up to 3 days afterwards!! Geez imagine actually inhaling the stuff... aww but arnt cigars awesome! i dont smoke but i love the smell and taste of cigars.... And the first whiff of a match being struck...is it sulphur???	Gobe1 (6290)
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