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| Thread ID: 125854 | 2012-07-23 20:37:00 | Smoking & sale of tobacco | globe (11482) | PC World Chat |
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| 1290246 | 2012-07-24 03:19:00 | Meaning ? What that the effect of smoking on society is negative ? The smoker, thinks of himself and only himself. However, when smoking in public, he is effectively forcing everyone around him to to smoke, therefore giving them the associated health risks. What he is doing by smoking in public is creating a negative externality. And, the way to correct this is by taxing the smoker, thus giving them an incentive not to smoke, and hence not to pass on the health risks to those they smoke around. |
Nick G (16709) | ||
| 1290247 | 2012-07-24 04:19:00 | TBF, I am struggling to see how they can enforce a full smoking ban by 2025?, doesnt that mean they will pass a law on it?. I think its a bit of a check to make a unilateral decision like that across the board for all NZers....in fact I think they will have a riot of their hands. I smoke, but only a 30gm pack of tobacco a week. Maybe 10 a day. I dont need nor do I want someone telling me what I can do with my life in such matters. It defies belief! Plain packets wont stop people from buying ciggies and only education will stop youth taking it up, but seriously, should the govt have such a right to stop us? I dont think so! Edit - smoking in public, LOL, the % of passive smoke required to effect someone?, please! |
SolMiester (139) | ||
| 1290248 | 2012-07-24 04:43:00 | I personally never understood why anybody starts smoking. Apparently I'm a statistical anomally because out of my parents and 5 siblings I'm the only non smoker and never even tried them. I can understand getting annoyed when you are told where you can and can't smoke and not wanting to quit, it's the starting in the first place that mystifies me. I will never get it. I did have what I consider some aversion therapy as a kid though, one of my jobs was to collect all the ashtrays around the house and clean them - a truly disgusting task IMO. If it's image then maybe hiding them away, putting them in plain packets, and forcing smokers out of public places might theoretically reduce the attraction and reduce the amount of new smokers. I seriously doubt it though, this really seems like a habit people pick up from friends and family much more than because of its' image which, lets face it, has been pretty negative for quite a long time now. If they ever plan to make it illegal they should leave existing smokers alone and just make it illegal for anyone new to start, not sure how they'd manage that though. |
dugimodo (138) | ||
| 1290249 | 2012-07-24 04:46:00 | Quote "we will not tell you how to live your lives" Jon Key, pre election 2008 | Gobe1 (6290) | ||
| 1290250 | 2012-07-24 06:19:00 | Boy, don't I wish now I had never smoked! What an utterly stupid thing to do, to stick a paper tube of old dried plant in your mouth and set fire to it and then suck the smoke into your lungs! Thanks Benson & Hedges for the emphysema you have now given me, even though I quit your filthy product over 20 years ago. If I had the power I would blow you and your cohort of tobacco manufacturers off the face of the earth. Thank God none of my family smoke, they had more sense than I did. | Richard (739) | ||
| 1290251 | 2012-07-24 06:26:00 | I think its all directed at stopping mostly young people from starting and not so much at getting the existing smokers to stop (although that is a side benefit of a price increase). "Smoke Free" is concidered as "Under 5%" so smoke free wont really be "smoke free". Pollution (air pollution from fires, vehicles and industry) its already causing over 1100 deaths per year in NZ at an estimated cost of $4.28 billion, so maybe the Govt should start addressing that. |
Iantech (16386) | ||
| 1290252 | 2012-07-24 06:39:00 | If they ever plan to make it illegal they should leave existing smokers alone and just make it illegal for anyone new to start, not sure how they'd manage that though. National register with a cut off date (a real cut off date, Not like the pretend ones for the grievance industry)and prescription purchases from a single regional outlet. Limit purchases to a set amount of loose tobacco a month. People can grow there own if they want more. Its a win-win, They get the cancer they want and the corporations don't make any profit. Sure it would start a black market, But if anyone was dumb enough to start smoking knowing they would have to buy off others then good job. Give it 20 years and then outlaw smoking everywhere apart from private homes. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 1290253 | 2012-07-24 08:06:00 | Main difference here is that a helmet protects you in an accident, What's an accident? Last night them going on about putting a roundabout at that Glenbrook intersection. We went our there today, it's an excellent road. I counted 5 flower arrangements on the side of the road, 2 trucks passed u, we were doing 95kph. And one car who overtook on a bend and just missed the car coming round it from the other way. That's why. It's not the roads fault. That intersection, a roundabout would help? Maybe a bit, idiots go through the one down the road here without even pausing. Accidents, bad driving more likely. |
pctek (84) | ||
| 1290254 | 2012-07-24 08:09:00 | What's an accident? Last night them going on about putting a roundabout at that Glenbrook intersection. We went our there today, it's an excellent road. I counted 5 flower arrangements on the side of the road, 2 trucks passed u, we were doing 95kph. And one car who overtook on a bend and just missed the car coming round it from the other way. That's why. It's not the roads fault. That intersection, a roundabout would help? Maybe a bit, idiots go through the one down the road here without even pausing. Accidents, bad driving more likely. "An accident or mishap is an unforeseen and unplanned event or circumstance, often with lack of intention or necessity". Even if it is as a result of some clown driving like an idiot it would still be an accident. |
globe (11482) | ||
| 1290255 | 2012-07-24 08:13:00 | "An accident or mishap is an unforeseen and unplanned event or circumstance, often with lack of intention or necessity". Even if it is as a result of some clown driving like an idiot it would still be an accident. That would be an incident. Driving like a twat is a deliberate act and the end result is almost guaranteed rather then unforeseen. |
Metla (12) | ||
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