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Thread ID: 125811	2012-07-20 21:32:00	Gunman kills 12 at the new batman movie premiere in Colorado.	Trev (427)	PC World Chat

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1289815	2012-07-22 05:14:00	He finished a degree and had been doing a Doctorate, all that needs serious money. "The average “sticker price” of US graduate education is US$21,000-34,000 per year, which covers both public and private institutions. For PhD students, this rises to US$28,000-40,000 per year. But as Welch points out, due to the amount of money invested in research, the majority of PhD students in science and engineering will get significant amounts of funding" Maybe he blew a student loan.Maybe he blew not just his student loan for money	plod (107)
1289816	2012-07-22 06:50:00	Now the anti gun filth will rally against the US gun laws. Truth be told with an captive audience in a theatre someone with a bolt action rifle (found on almost very farm in NZ) and some speed clips could easily do the same carnage in NZ which has the toughest gun laws in the Western world. A 303 Le Enfield with speed clips was so effective the germans sometimes thought they were facing an auto rifle. Beat their 5 shot Mauser 8MM hands down. Its nutters we have to watch out for not how many guns are out there. You can only fire one at once. What would have stopped this shooter dead was someone in the audience with a pistol. In fairness to your position - if they handed everyone a shotgun with their popcorn, someone would have shot the gunman, although the crossfire would have been difficult to avoid.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1289817	2012-07-22 07:09:00	Now the anti gun filth will rally against the US gun laws. Truth be told with an captive audience in a theatre someone with a bolt action rifle (found on almost very farm in NZ) and some speed clips could easily do the same carnage in NZ which has the toughest gun laws in the Western world. A 303 Le Enfield with speed clips was so effective the germans sometimes thought they were facing an auto rifle. Beat their 5 shot Mauser 8MM hands down. Its nutters we have to watch out for not how many guns are out there. You can only fire one at once. What would have stopped this shooter dead was someone in the audience with a pistol. You have identified the issue there precisely. Country with tough gun laws last time there was a shooting was,country with guns a plenty shootings common place, what does that tell you?	globe (11482)
1289818	2012-07-22 08:53:00	As one American mayor said on the news tonight, these kind of shootings used to be a few a year now they have become a few a month	gary67 (56)
1289819	2012-07-22 16:49:00	As one American mayor said on the news tonight, these kind of shootings used to be a few a year now they have become a few a month Where have there been a few a month? If you discount the drunk in a bar who shoots the jukebox and a few lights and maybe someone who's messing with his wife, the highest number of 'mass shootings' are racial and usually the same race against themselves in turf wars or securing drug markets . Personally, I have no remorse for any drug dealer getting wasted nor wasting another drug dealer . That leaves fewer of them for the cops to shoot, and certainly if a shooter gets to prison, they won't pay for their crime anyway . That may sound cold - but people who deal drugs and kill have no redeeming values in my book . I digress . (A very biased report is here: . com/usa/news/mass-year-people-massacre-710/" target="_blank">rt . com ) I live here and I don't see those purported metrics . That 'American mayor' is pandering to whatever lobby is putting manilla envelopes in his back pocket and you've quoted a source that is suspect at the least and flagrantly biased at the most . That's a dangerous statement to make by him - or you to quote in (biased?) ignorance . From the UK Guardian - (a NON US citation)::: How bad is gun crime in the US? The latest data from the FBI's uniform crime reports is out and it provides a fascinating picture of the use of firearms in crimes across America . At the beginning of the year the shooting spree in Tucson, Arizona, that targeted congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords left six dead, including a nine-year-old child . But since then, the issue has been given scant attention . (ME HERE: That's one before the current one) However, the figures themselves are astounding for Brits used to around 600 murders per year . In 2010 - the latest year for which detailed statistics are available - there were 12,996 murders in the US . Of those, 8,775 were caused by firearms . (ME here again: mass-murders of three or more people, verses an argument that turns deadly, are totally different sets of circumstances . ) The FBI crime statistics are based on reports to FBI bureau and local law enforcement . The figures are not complete - there are no stats for Florida on firearm murders and the data for Illinois is "incomplete" . But even so it provides a detailed picture of attacks by state . LINK::: . guardian . co . uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state" target="_blank">www . guardian . co . uk Here's some more interesting stats: In fact, gun crime, like all crime across the US (and the UK, for that matter), is going down - you can see how much in the graph above (in the linked site) . The figures show that California had the highest number of gun murders last year - 1,257, which is 69% of all murders that year and equivalent to 3 . 37 per 100,000 people in the state . Big as that figure is, it's still down by 8% on the previous year . Same source . :P ME here: this supports the fact that murders are high in California, but ask: WHY? The whole state is blatantly a nanny-state with no criminal being held responsible for their actions and certainly there's no ENFORCED death penalty for heinous crimes . 'Death penalty' recipients usually die of old age while awaiting the final decision after the next-to-final decision after the cross-filing of the last penalty phase of their conviction . It goes on all the time . BUT - harass or cause harm to a Hollywierd star and you get a life sentence with no dessert after your meals in Camp Snoopy - where these hardened criminals spend their last century or so . A salient fact is that to less than a few percentage points, murders in California are totally related to drugs . Add to that motive the fact that over 58% of the state's population is filled with illegal aliens who are criminals in the first place from jumping a fence or swimming a wide-open river-border, then the picture changes . Many - but certainly not all 'confused tourists' - leave their home country looking for a good life, as the ethic is so posted . They flee to seek a safer environment for their families and themselves and better educational facilities, better employment and pay and once they arrive, they promulgate the same lifestyle they just left . 'They' are the biggest reason for the loss of community control and California shows it with rampant gang-tags, graffiti, mass murders, rapes, firebombings, innocent people caught up in the crossfire and shrapnel in the peripheral bombing radius . 'They' turn out to be their own worst enemy, since they kill with skill and a total lack of morals and the possibility of any retribution for their crimes . 'They' are thumbing their noses at the very laws under which they came to live . In the inner cities, there are lots of shootings - drive-bys, gang retaliation, drug burns and deals gone bad, turf wars (gangs keeping drug neighborhoods for themselves), gamers-gone-wild, etc . Note that most of the shootings that involving multiple victims (4 or more) and indiscriminate spraying of groups of people are committed by minorities enforcing a hit on their own minority or against another minority group to exercise power and authority in an area; again drugs are the major player here . However - mass killings - and I'll also count four or more victims shot by a singular lone gunman/woman are somewhat rare . When they happen, they get splashed press and the hubris doesn't die for months . Such rancorous fist-pumping by the press, which has run out of cute puppy stories, child proteges, sidewalk artists, politicians kissing babies, etc . , are asking people who were in the theater: "How do you think the gunman felt when he was pulling the trigger?" and "What words do you remember from the people who were screaming in the theater?" . Sick-o, bloodsucking leeches: the press . It's all over the news, which is playing off to my left here as I type this . Mentally, I've regurgitated at the repulsive questions by these talking heads . I personally believe that there are several mitigating reasons why these shootings happen . 1) Lack of parental guidance . This is primary I feel . If parents were actually in control and not hampered by kid-shrinks who profess that 'it takes a village to raise a child, leaves that child without any firm base upon which to build social skills and responsibility which has replaced with 'momma's gonna kill you if you set fire to the house' . Personal responsibility is tossed out with the bath water, and there is no blame for anything any more . (Doctor) Bill Cosby was lecturing to inner city 'youth' and he asked them: "Who's your daddy?" "No --- seriously" he went on . In the auditorium, only a small handful of the attendees said they had any idea who their father was and in quite a few cases, they lacked information on their mothers too . He asked if any had ever been arrested . Most said that they had been arrested at least twice; some more than a few more times for minor and major reasons . In that same group, there were many 'second-strikers' . These are criminals who have just one more offense and they are locked up for life . Cosby then asked: "Do you know WHY so many of you have trouble with the police? It's because you are the criminals and you do it to yourselves . But it didn't start with you; it was no-one home, no parenting that would make you learn to live the right way" . 2) With that much lack of guidance, most kids are left to their own rearing and inclinations . Be it on the streets looking for some amiable friends with like interests to the lone recluse who, for lack of guidance and concern, shells-up and has a grudge against society in general or a special person or class of persons at large . One seriously mitigating factor: first person killing games . I feel this has been a case of frog-boiling, and since it has risen from such an insidious level in all aspects of life, it has defenders who defend what they do not understand is a great mindwashing tool that negates morality and social skills to the animal level . First it was PONG, then Monkey Kong, then Frogger and now it's murder, mayhem, mutilation . I cite: Grand Theft Auto as one example . It blatantly allows the player to kill and shred people (Ho's, pimps, dealers, passers-by) with aplomb and glee, not to mention the 3D sound effects . There are other 'games' that insidiously accomplish the same thing . 3) If nobody's responsible and there is no enforcing of the law in the first place, then what's to lose? In the US - there is a motto - now quite hotly debated - that says on almost everything; "In God We Trust", alluding to the Judea-Christian ethic upon which the founding fathers made sure was included in The Constitution . It's a farce nowadays . If this is a nation so-inspired, then why aren't criminals punished according to that ethic? In that system, a murderer was put to death . In that system, a rapist was put to death . In that system, a person who caused a spontaneous abortion (accidentally in special circumstances) was put to death . In that system, a person who robbed was made to pay back what they stole . Pandering by social do-gooders, whose only professional self-redeeming purpose is making sure they have that good paying job of social do-gooder, has relegated laws of morality, socially acceptable actions and the retribution for failure to comply to a touchy-feely set of uncontrollable 'circumstance' or 'luck of the draw' for birthplace/birthright, upon which no-one is ultimately responsible . Putting everyone into this illogical ego-maniacal-global-village-mentality-set, ultimately lets any responsibility for their actions go unpunished: "It's everyone's/society's/my teachers/the cop's/not my fault; I'm just misunderstood" . To the story about this Colorado shooting; that state has an in-place death penalty . Let's watch how that plays out in the next fifty years or so . For what it's worth, I feel that buying ammo over the internet reeks of stupidity in the laws . There should NEVER be any weaponry or ammunition allowed to be sold over the internet . As a closer: I'd be much more worried about being gang raped by a pack of itinerant blue eyed Australian wombats in a pub in ChCh, NZ, than getting caught up in illicit gunfire in any city in the US .	SurferJoe46 (51)
1289820	2012-07-22 20:17:00	As one American mayor said on the news tonight, these kind of shootings used to be a few a year now they have become a few a month Looks like we can finally rule out the death penalty as a deterrent then.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1289821	2012-07-22 21:12:00	Removes the burden of caring for him from society and ensures he does no more harm. Justice is served. Sooner they put him down the better.	Metla (12)
1289822	2012-07-22 22:50:00	Looks like we can finally rule out the death penalty as a deterrent then . I see you want to go there . Fair enough . To a zealot, it matters not . True . To someone with suicidal desires, it is the plan . Either 'suicide by cop' or 'suicide by electric chair' makes no difference . Moral myopia is another reason why logic and self preservation can get pushed aside; this myopia is from a poor learned base from which to draw . The current replacement draw for morals is to kill what bothers you . If you lose, just hit the redo button .	SurferJoe46 (51)
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