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Thread ID: 25058	2002-09-25 02:30:00	Qualification and you?	-=JM=- (16)	Press F1

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82893	2002-09-25 11:50:00	Mike. All the best people ARE in Auckland all the time!!!Modest Poppa John ]:)	Poppa John (284)
82894	2002-09-25 11:55:00	OK - the peice of paper is critical. My mother has been a registered nurse for about 20years. She stopped work after the first 5 or so to look after the family. 10 or so years ago, a downturn in the kiwifruit industry (my parents were orchardists) meant she had to goback to work at the local resthome as a caregiver. 2 years later was charge nurse, 2 more was QA office, and has been the site and then area manager for 6 years. She is now looking to the future. What happens when the organisation decides they need new blood? She is 45 with only a nursing qualification and some managerial experience. You only need to have watched the past election to know the state of hospitals (and hence nursing jobs) in northland. So, a year or os ago she began a diploma in business management. Within the next 18 monhths she should be finished. then another year and she has a degree in busness management. Why??? Because from working in the industry, she knows that the only way to cut it is to have the piece of paper. As part of the end of my degree, my course has a paper in professional practice and ethics, another in environmental ethics and another in project anagement. I have seen the same themes in all of these papers and have listened to many local practiononers advice regarding job hunting. The qualification will get you the interview - the personality gets you the job. I think that is very true. You need the peice of paper just to be considered. Once they know you are qulified, they have to know you will fit into their team. I only had one interveiw before I got a job, but I had three more for practice and out of curiosity of what other firms were paying. Every time I found that skill was a side issue - the interviewer wanted to know whayt type of person I was. INcidently I was shortlisted from all three interviews, and had to turn down jobs from two. You're never too old to start studying - even if you work. My mother has been doing her diploma around a 50hour week managing a resthome, a brand new 100-bed hospital and a family. So, stop with the excuses, and get qualified, get on your happy face and get a job. I'm not saying it's easy, and it's definitely easier when your young, so maybe I'm not qualified to say this, but it's definitely attainable. G P WOW is this OT or what!!	Graham Petrie (449)
82895	2002-09-25 11:56:00	I'm from North Harbour, actually... is that close enough? I just got kidnapped a while back and ended up in Tga and haven't been able to escape yet :) But then again, you're from the "No1 Suburb"... doesn't mean that No one wants to live there? :D Mike.	Mike (15)
82896	2002-09-25 11:57:00	You know something Baldy - its me mate :D I wondered when you first appeared if it was you. Still musicing?? :D Its strange where you end up isn't it. Who'd have thought the madman (my good self :D ) gets into PC's now. Surprisingly I am much the same. I will email you mate, anything more is going to embarrass either you or me :D AHHH I have very fond memories of the Cook and great swathes of blank memory too! - the fun we had :D	John Grieve (367)
82897	2002-09-25 12:07:00	Much is said about the "bits of paper". OK, I have spent the last 6 years working part time towards a degree - and wonder occasionally if I need my head read. Life is changing and I very much doubt if I'll work full time again which means I'll not use it to its full potential. BUT... I was at a conference a week ago. Not I.T. but our customers (nice to know their needs from their perspective and what the future holds). The general theme was virual libraries in a specific field. There were several references to the value of doing Project Management training if they wanted to change things. As I am currently doing a Project Management paper a lot of things that were mentioned made an awful lot of sense. Talking to other delegates I was left with the very strong impression that I got more out of the conference than most of the others - because of the training that went into that "bit of paper"	Heather P (163)
82898	2002-09-25 20:26:00	My view is probably not generally popular and is likely to offend of upset some people, but it goes like this: - qualifications are useful for useful people. - not everyone with qualifications is any good. - not everyone without qualifications is no good. - to get a job, it's not what you know, it's who you know (my first three jobs came through people I knew). - there are a lot of people out there who have no aptitude for IT and yet they got the qualifications, it doesn't make them geeks (sorry, it doesn't). - qualifications of any flavour prove at worst that you can pass a test, and best they show you do know something of the topic. Personally, I have passed four MCSE exams years ago, have a BCom degree in accounting and management, have a clean drivers license, and am a qualified Level 1 cricket coach. I don't put the BCom on the business card, never have, ever. The qualification is more important the younger you are, the experience is what really makes you valuable to an employer. robo.	robo (205)
82899	2002-09-25 20:56:00	Sorry to say I have to agree with Robo :-) I've been in IT for a number of years and have several certs (but I only got them because my employer wanted me to obtain them). I hate exams, they're just not me ;-) But I've never failed to meet my employers expectations. The piece of paper definitely helps get the interview, but its still only a bit of paper. I've found that what really counts is the ability to adapt to change quickly and a willingness to try new ideas. Not forgetting to fulfill/exceed your employers expectations.	BarryMcQ (1578)
82900	2002-09-25 21:39:00	Barry, I like you already. I think it is wrong to make any qualification sound like the magic bullet that gets you a job instantly. It just doesn't happen like that. My wife is doing an ESOL (English as a second language teaching) qualification, and she seems to have taken to it like a duck to water, loves it, huge confidence, and feedback suggests she is good at what she does. However, there are those in the class that may not ever be any good at it (although they might still get a job). As much as I would love to be a pilot, who's to say I would be any good?/ robo.	robo (205)
82901	2002-09-25 21:43:00	> As much as I would love to be a pilot, who's to say I > would be any good?/ Apparently there's some good pilot schools in Miami who'll train anybody... :D Mike.	Mike (15)
82902	2002-09-25 21:50:00	Robo, Not offended at all. You may not need a piece of paper in some areas and there is definitely no substitute for experience whatever the situation. However, you are not going to go to a surgeon for your heart bypass unless he is qualified and that qualification involves the piece of paper to prove he has the experience. The qualification is the experience proven by the piece of paper. Yes, that is broad. You would not want to visit a newly qualified doctor for your heart transplant, but he has the proof that he can start that training. Life is a ***** but that piece of paper is VERY important in the world of large rewards !! Crunn	Crunn (1068)
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