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Thread ID: 25032	2002-09-24 10:38:00	OT - Copy-Protected CD's	Chilling_Silence (9)	Press F1

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82618	2002-09-24 13:09:00	This is the future that the copy protection "problem" is being lead to by vested interests. Make sure you read between the lines. Think very carefully about what they are saying is going to happen and what they have already developed and what is being developed. Personally this whole thing worries me. Like will you be allowed to build a PC without this? Will there be hardware free of this infection? Who decides whats "protected" by this system. Will we ever be able to save a webpage to our harderive again? Should "information" be free? What combinations of words are copyrighted and what are not? We will need some sort of publically available database to see what we are allowed to say - who pays for that? Trusted computing or an attempt to control public access to information? www.trustedcomputing.org	John Grieve (367)
82619	2002-09-25 03:27:00	They managed to kill a nice technogy: DAT for audio use, and thus ensured that it stayed expensive for computer use. I think that there is still a surcharge on the price of tapes, bought for computer data use, going to the record companies. If I had a Macintosh which can have its system wiped by putting an audio CD in it, I would have something to say about it. But this could make a huge increase in the number of Linux users ... just buy the last hardware which is without the hardware limitations, and run Linux on it for your AV stuff.	Graham L (2)
82620	2002-09-25 03:48:00	Our g\flat has discussed this rather extensively. Although our opinions differ, we agree on several points. There are problems with all of the options that the companies have tried so far. The problem is, to make t\copy protection work, they also have to restrict legitimate users rights and use of the product. This crates all sorts of problems. Open source is an attractive option for some. The problem begins if products stop being developed as well as they are due to a downturn in the industry. Not saying it will ,happen, just that it could. There are also problems with hardware protection. So what if sony make drives that stop me playing music, I will just buy a knock-off that does. There is no way that the government will legislate to force all manufactururers to comply - we still live in a democracy. Another future I see is the fabled single function devide scheme. This is a very good way to stop piracy. You don't see people downloading pirated copies of nokis\a's cellphone OS do you?? no, because it is only useful of a nokia cellphone which comes with the OS when you purchase it. If all devices end up like this, then it won't stop music piracy, but it may stop software piracy. The problem here is that you can already stick linux in a PS2 or XBox, and it would restrict consumers to buying products from their hardware manufacturer. So, every way you look at it, its a dead end. What the software and recording companies have to do is follow the market trends and start changing the services they operate. If they cannot make money selling CD's anymore they should stop. If artists stopped making music, people qould happily pay for one that started again. This is also an extreme, but I think that if the record companies, artists and music retailers rethought their strategy, accepted piracy, and changed their products and services to make piracy a waste of time, then maybe we have found a solution. Think back ten years - now look at the changes in technology and the changes in the way you use technology. In 5-10 years the PC will not be anything like we recognise now, so who cares?? Things will change with societies and the market's requirements. I say bring on the anti-piracy measures they will either work or they won't but lets stop worrying about them. If you don't like them, don't buy the product, don't upgrade your PC and don't sweat it. If you do care then just put up - simple. I know some of these arguments are weak, but they are just the seedlings for ideas, and need more thought - but all is not lost. G P	Graham Petrie (449)
82621	2002-09-25 04:05:00	Good points on all fronts. Its like this with software too. I had a friend who bought the Sims, and made a backup copy of it "just in case" and it was lucky he did, because he used it sooo much that it wore out from scratches from being taken in and out. he tried using the copy, but it was missing about 3 megs of files and was not recognised as the orgional, but could still be installed from. He ended up getting a 2 meg crack from the web, rather than forking out another 80 bucks for a game he already bought! If Joe Bloggs = Me, then yes, depending on the price, I'd buy one. By that I mean a Cd-Player that does copy protected CD's. To be honest, buying a CD for $30 to get half the songs that I dont particularly like doesnt seem right. I've frankly not bought a CD in around 3 years, I've been given one as a birthday gift (Audio CD's I mean) and its because its not all the music i like, not even the various artist one, like NOW and Just THe Hits or Mai Music. Ya know. Apparently in some places in US they were trialling having a burner in the Shop, you chose 5 songs, at a cost of $15 and you got a Legal CD with those 5 songs on them! Dunno how true that is, but I'd certainly go for that, rather than buy a CD with 15 Songs on for $30 with half that I don't listen to! I'll check back later, This is a rather interseting debate if you as me... Cheers Chilling_Silence	Chilling_Silence (9)
82622	2002-09-25 13:27:00	Allright, as far as music CDs go: I'm an amateur musician . I have recorded 5 demo songs . let's say (fiscally) I released those songs, and people liked them . I would think, "yay, people like my music" and I would see people recording the songs off the radio and distributing them for me over P2P . So far, it has cost me nothing to make my demo tape, which are soon going to be Mp3's and will be putting them up somewhere . So people download my music, because they like it, or are downloadaholics . It gets spread out over the world, and has the potential to be established in 31 different countries in 24 hours . in the meantime, I'm still unemployed, still looking for a job, still bringing you into my fantasy . And still making music when I can . . The problem is "artists" tend to get fat heads (and producers get fat wallets) and demand that their music also be their bread winner . Have you noticed how many bands who start off small, end up becoming famous and they end up sucking, because they do it for the money and not for the love of it - AC/DC, MetallicA, GnR, (and contravercally Pink Floyd) to name a few . I don't think I would ever charge for my music . I make it to express myself, and if others like it (which some actually do!) then they are welcome to share that expression . SiK	SoniKalien (792)
82623	2002-09-26 13:01:00	Link in some of your music SoniKalien, I am interested and a downloadaholic incedentally I do a fair amount of aquisition of music nefarious & foul, anyone interested do a search in KaZaA for fgl@angelfire.com I have labeled all my mp3's (dont know how smart that is in the age of record companies sueing the little folk but hey)	flying_green_leprachaun (1767)
82624	2002-09-26 13:05:00	on the copy protection front, piracy is impossible to stop. there will always be people with the talent & the will to break down the walls that are built around intellectual property. the problem being the value of the end product. If I were to produce a unique work, I would hope that the credit for the work would be the only requirement to redistribute. I believe information should be free.	flying_green_leprachaun (1767)
82625	2002-09-26 21:22:00	Be very careful flying greem leprachaun . There is a law making its way through Congress in the US right now which is going to legalise the hacking and destruction of files on your computer by the media companies . Apparently its not far from becoming law (1 month or 2) . Once passed the music and movie companies have the legal right to hack into your PC and destroy anything and everything they consider to be theirs . Imagine that hacking made legal . All you will have to do to hack legally will be to form a record company . Apparently the real hackers worldwide are forming record companies in massive numbers right now in anticipation of this great new law to protect the avaricious media companies . And yes - this is wrong and a lot of people are trying to fight it but the record/music companies paid 5 . 5 billion to political representatives on both sides in the US as political contributions in the last 2 years so they have paid and they will get .	John Grieve (367)
82626	2002-09-26 22:19:00	Thats a damn good point John It would be very simple for media companies to scan as many individual "private" hard drives as they like.... see what you have and then zap anything they have copyright on. If you use a program such as DC++ p2p you can peek into other users hard drives, so the multi-nationals could do so with ease as well. BALDY:-)	Baldy (26)
82627	2002-09-26 22:37:00	What I find really funny about this sudden drive by the media companies to control the net (and therfore distribution of illegal files) is it was triggered by Disney trying to protect Mickey Mouse. You see people Mickey and Goofy(I think) are just about to come out of copyright. Disney had copyright protections extended by 20 years last time Mickey was going to escape but this time they are not bothering with extensions. They want a new system which will lead to permanent protection of this irritating rodent pest. Funny isn't it? we lose all rights to information on the net to protect a bloody mouse - go Disney!	John Grieve (367)
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