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83812 2002-09-27 23:00:00 Er... sorry, yes they do teach that in high school. :8}

I just managed to grab The Girl to ask her and she says they call it algebra (same as we called it). She baulked at Merlin's calculations though and said their stuff isn't as complicated as that LOL. And yes, they might teach it; learning it is another matter.

My point still remains though. I learnt it in Form one/two. Same with trigonometry which The Girl hasn't done yet (fourth form). ("What's trigonometry?")
Susan B (19)
83813 2002-09-28 00:45:00 >>>Not algebra - calculus, specifically quadratics
umm where was the quadratic in that ?:|

I find that I can do most mathematics in my head or on paper. But I've just become accustomed to reaching for the calculator.

1+1
*pulls out calculator*
=2
"Damn I knew that :)"
-=JM=- (16)
83814 2002-09-28 00:57:00 You're right JM, there was neither quadratics or calculus, what the hell DO they teach these days???????????? Terry Porritt (14)
83815 2002-09-28 01:04:00 Also whilst im still steamed up, even Gibert & Sullivan knew about differential calculus:

GENERAL:
I am the very model of a modern Major-General,
I've information vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I know the kings of England, and I quote the fights historical
From Marathon to Waterloo, in order categorical;
I'm very well acquainted, too, with matters mathematical,
I understand equations, both the simple and quadratical,
About binomial theorem I'm teeming with a lot o' news,
With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse.

ALL:
With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse.
With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse.
With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse.

GENERAL:
I'm very good at integral and differential calculus;
I know the scientific names of beings animalculous:
In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I am the very model of a modern Major-General.
(Pirates of Penzance)
Terry Porritt (14)
83816 2002-09-28 03:58:00 This is an oldie, but...

A native American Indian had three wives. Squaw One slept on a special hippopotamus skin and the other two squaws slept on ordinary bear skins. Squaw One was amazingly adept at everything and could do everything and anything twice as fast and twice as well as the other two squaws.

This just goes to prove that the squaw on the hippopotamus is equal to the sum of the squaws on the other two hides.
Basil Pesto (541)
83817 2002-09-28 09:47:00 Thanks loser. I'm a newbie to the net, and didn't think of using tutorial.

Re teaching and learning: Exactly my experience!

I could never see the point in algebra because we were rarely given practical examples, especially ones that would appeal to teenagers. It was only when I got into a little basic programming and later on navigation that I had to do some. We had a maths teacher who knew his stuff, but was hopeless at teaching it. In School Cert-level exams I got 13 for maths and 96 for English -- with scaling.

Looking back, I think high school was mostly a waste of time. My head was full of lots of useless information, but we had no education to help us get on in the world. Learning the basic 3Rs at primary school was the most useful.
Deebee (1184)
83818 2002-09-28 11:04:00 I dunno. I was in extension maths at intermediate, and I'm pretty sure that we did a little of it. By the time third form came around I guess it would be stuff like
x+y=4
x^2=7

or maybe factorising quadratics... 5th form was a joke (89% in maths School C), and after that I mostly stopped paying attention, until bursary calc, coz I though that was kinda cool.
We learnt trig in intermediate I think, and most definitely at 3rd and 4th form.
That's not to say that it's still the same though... even in 5 years I guess things could've changed.
loser (538)
83819 2002-09-28 12:08:00 4th form is when they teach trig mainly. Then in 7th they bring out sec and cos and cotan -=JM=- (16)
83820 2002-09-29 01:39:00 I learnt basic algebra in Std 4 (year???) as I was in the advanced class. Trig by form 2, calc in form 5, advanced calc and stats by form six. Last year at varsity was advanced least squares and partial differentiation of a matrix - I tried to explain it to a third year mathematics student and he had trouble with the concept!!! Weird, I'm not even doing a maths degree!

As far as maths tutorials go, I wouldn't worry about using the net. Take a trip to your local university bookshop, and buy the first year maths books on the subjects you are interested in. They often have CD-ROM tutorials and it is all in basic english.

G P
Graham Petrie (449)
83821 2002-09-29 03:19:00 Or try your local public library. They have books there too. I find I can't learn things from screens; it's hard enough from books. ;-)

Calculators ... we used log tables. I still remember the logs of some numbers. (Once I even worked out how Gaussian logs worked, and found a book of tables containing them, when I read a book by some American who had "rediscovered" them.)
Graham L (2)
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