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84448	2002-09-29 11:22:00	In regards to losers comments about his shitty onboard soundcard Does it matter whether your soundcard is onboard, or the latest Creative Sound Blaster, when all it is doing is converting the signal into a stereo analouge signal? Yes i know the latest boards can have DSP. But my theory on that is, a CD/DVD is produced to sound as is, so shouldn't be changed with silly DSP settings.	roofus (483)
84449	2002-09-29 11:22:00	Well if you want things in the same format then you should go with ogg. I was about to say that it would be a bad idea, but then if you are happy with Xing, I doubt you would be able to appreciate the differences in quality with Fraunhofer or a LAME encoder. So, the argue for quality really goes out the window there.	Lohsing (219)
84450	2002-09-29 11:46:00	dunno. see, I only use xing because I got my hands on audiocatalyst, because that's what my friends all use. Now, the sound that comes out of my computer is sure no match for even my el cheapo cd player. I'm a bass player, and quite often have to chuck something on my stereo to get a little extra clarity when trying to figure out songs. The lack of clarity from my computer I had just assumed was a combination of poor speakers and onboard sound. In that case, maybe I was wrong and it's actually because I'm listening to xing mp3's (?). you doubting me being able to appreciate a difference in quality is maybe a poor assumption because in reality, I've never listened to anything other than xing mp3s on my computer. It's more a case of me not knowing what I'm not hearing, rather than being happy with poor quality... So I'm off to download a something to rip some stuff to ogg and find out, and just incase my computer speakers don't do justice to music, I'm gonna plug my bass amp into my computer ;) Thank y'all for yer comments and advice... keep 'em coming.	loser (538)
84451	2002-09-29 11:56:00	Dude... not wanting to sound rude, but ... 1. You are obviously interested in compression of audio files, yet haven't read up on it in great detail to understand that there are other alternative codecs WITHIN mp3 which would generate better sound. If you had, you would've known Xing does the worst job in compressing possible to music. 2. That being the case, why would you jump into the ogg format without first researching its pros and cons? 3. While you are doing #2, maybe you might want to search for listening tests, etc? Try here (http://www.r3mix.net) as a site to research mp3, etc. Do this as a comparison between formats out there... 4. Your opinion of WMA format, is probably about as high as mine of Xing mp3s. Seriously. Before you go ahead and rip all your cd's to ogg, do read up widely on the topic, because it honestly sounds as if you are switching for the sake of switching, and because of the "open-source" nature of ogg. Did you realise that LAME (an mp3 codec) is being improved all the time, AND is pretty much royalty free, etc? In other words "open-source." Just trying to save you some needless effort. Lo.	Lohsing (219)
84452	2002-09-29 11:59:00	Oh and one last thing... your kick ass stereo system would do a better job than any PC speakers ever could. Best way to determine sound quality is to decode whatever file you have, burn to CD, and test them that way. Lo.	Lohsing (219)
84453	2002-09-29 12:18:00	> Dude... not wanting to sound rude, but ... that's ok > 1. You are obviously interested in compression of > audio files, yet haven't read up on it in great > detail to understand that there are other alternative > codecs WITHIN mp3 which would generate better sound. > If you had, you would've known Xing does the worst > job in compressing possible to music. I am interested, and what I am doing now is reading up, and getting other peoples opinions > 2. That being the case, why would you jump into the > ogg format without first researching its pros and > cons? in the process > 3. While you are doing #2, maybe you might want to > search for listening tests, etc? Try > here (http://www.r3mix.net) as a site to > research mp3, etc. Do this as a comparison between > formats out there... thanks for the link, I'll check that up... > 4. Your opinion of WMA format, is probably about as > high as mine of Xing mp3s. Seriously. That's cool, obviously a few people don't like xing, and as such I will probably not use it anymore. I didn't realise there were alternatives, I just ended up using it because I the program I formerly used to rip stuff ripped to that... > Before you go ahead and rip all your cd's to ogg, do > read up widely on the topic, because it honestly > sounds as if you are switching for the sake of > switching, and because of the "open-source" nature of > ogg. Did you realise that LAME (an mp3 codec) is > being improved all the time, AND is pretty much > royalty free, etc? In other words "open-source." Or now for the sake of switching away from xing. I didn't mean I was gonna re-rip everything tonight or anything;) the open source nature is definitely a factor for me, along side quality, file size and compatibility... > Just trying to save you some needless effort. > > Lo. I know, thanks :) Sorry if I didn't convey the fact, but do appreciate and listen to expert opinion, it seems from this thread and from the other that tweak'e posted that you do know quite a lot. I am trying to keep this more on the discussion side of an argument ;) Tim	loser (538)
84454	2002-09-30 01:40:00	Excellent! Hope it all goes well for you... :) Lo.	Lohsing (219)
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