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1316492	2012-12-05 06:58:00	All of the above seem to me to be valid reasons to stay well away from VOIP systems if you want more than one operating phone and have other essential services that use your phone line. Sounds OK for a single or two phone installation in a plain vanilla situation, but personally speaking I wouldn't touch it with a forty-foot pole. I like the dependability and reliability of my current service, that works during power cuts etc, which I doubt would be the case if there is a modem involved. Cheers Billy 8-{) Absolutely right Billy. A much higher phone reliability is needed than can be provided by the internet/Genius/voip combination. I'm not looking forward to the time when the modem fails as it most surely will. When the 2 year contract with Orcon is up I'll go back to a "normal" phone. My UPS can keep the modem and phone working for several hours, so that is something.	Terry Porritt (14)
1316493	2012-12-05 08:40:00	Yup, you can wire the jack points to work essentially, exactly as they did on the old copper. In a similar fashion I'm running CAT5 to each room (it's a small house, not worth running more than one line) which, depending on the patch panel setup will enable a standard phone handset to be patched into the ATX on the VOIP box. I'll remove the standard line jack from the phone and replace it with an RJ-45 so it can be plugged into the Ethernet wall plate. Eventually when the landline is redundant (or close enough) due to cell ph's there won't be a need for it at all. Certainly not a hard task to operate a VoIP line in pseudo copper form however if it's a specialist device, best check with the company. Phones should *just work*	The Error Guy (14052)
1316494	2012-12-05 09:20:00	My phones are connected to the Genius via a standard cable (RJ11 to BT). But with wireless phones we are needing fewer outlets. Agree about the med alarm, though. That is an unknown. Regards the power out situation, most phones are powered from the mains nowadays so they will go dead whether on voip or pots. Actually, my new Panasonic DECT phone powers the base if the base goes dead! Cell phones are good 'emergency' devices, too. But I have a UPS as well. If pots is the answer to your problems, what are you going to do when they cut off these services as they surely will in the future?	linw (53)
1316495	2012-12-05 09:40:00	Yeah I have a UPS, it's lasted me for some 24 hours in the past without a worry. You can also get additional ATA Adapters and VoIP phones if you want. I have a Linksys SPA942, as well as a 3-way Panasonic Analog Cordless phone on a SPA3102. Also, as somebody who does telephony for a living, we encounter more issues with PSTN / ISDN lines than we do with VoIP lines ;)	Chilling_Silence (9)
1316496	2012-12-05 21:34:00	Also, as somebody who does telephony for a living, we encounter more issues with PSTN / ISDN lines than we do with VoIP lines ;) I think that the size of the legacy installed base and age range of PSTN /ISDN equipment is somewhat larger and considerably older than VoIP, which might just account for the difference. Only a very small amount of the cabling in my home is legacy now (just one short link that I could not replace or bypass) and the rest is CAT5-E. All outlets have been updated, but the original incoming pair is still in use for one line and that is over 50 years old. I have two incoming lines and apart from the exceptions above they are both cabled the same with respect to distribution and hardware from the junction box, but there is a noticeable difference in quality between the two. Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
1316497	2012-12-05 22:26:00	I think that the size of the legacy installed base and age range of PSTN /ISDN equipment is somewhat larger and considerably older than VoIP, which might just account for the difference. Not quite. As it stands most of the customers I deal with have at least some form of SIP / VoIP calling, more of them percentage-wise than have standard ISDN calling (We don't do PSTN coz it's even WORSE). SIP is infinitely easier to debug / diagnose in my experiences, and in terms of reliability and subsequently getting it fixed, it again wins. Sure you can do things "on the cheap" and have a bad experience, but if you get an experienced person setting up the SIP and your network that you use to transfer it across, then yeah definitely I'd take SIP any day, hands down no competition! Only a very small amount of the cabling in my home is legacy now (just one short link that I could not replace or bypass) and the rest is CAT5-E. All outlets have been updated, but the original incoming pair is still in use for one line and that is over 50 years old. I have two incoming lines and apart from the exceptions above they are both cabled the same with respect to distribution and hardware from the junction box, but there is a noticeable difference in quality between the two. Same, when I moved into my house I had a good friend cable everything up. CAT6 from the demarc box to the patch panel, and then from the patch panel it's now CAT6 to every room in the house with the exception of the Laundry, Toilet and Bathroom (Though I must admit I was tempted!). However my situation is similar, the lines outside of my control are really what lets me down :(	Chilling_Silence (9)
1316498	2012-12-06 00:48:00	Just on a side note, I think it would be awesome if orcon made a VoIP dialler app, when at home you could call over your genius... now that's genius! Removes the needs for handsets etc.	The Error Guy (14052)
1316499	2012-12-06 01:09:00	Like a Softphone?	Chilling_Silence (9)
1316500	2012-12-06 02:49:00	Yea, except from what I read none of them work with orcons VoIP. Rather locked down so I'm hoping they will release one themselves.	The Error Guy (14052)
1316501	2012-12-07 07:08:00	I went and bought a cell phone as a precaution. A smart phone. Turns out that it's smarter than me. I charged the battery, sent $20 to Telecom, and worked out how to use the phone. I made a couple of calls and all seemed OK BUT. now the thing refuses to work.When I dial a number I get a message saying only emergency calls allowed. Then it goes to the shut down screen. It's a LG 400E.	JJJJJ (528)
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