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Thread ID: 126038	2012-08-03 06:57:00	The climate study to end them all	martynz (5445)	PC World Chat

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1292601	2012-08-11 06:14:00	Whilst we’re “Myth Busting” we should attend to the great “Greenie” B/S that coal powered power stations are emitting huge amounts of Carbon. Take a look at the photo below promoted by the NSW “Greenies”. They are trying to pretend that these great Chimneys are belching huge amounts of Carbon. Of course the facts are they are not Chimneys they are Cooling Towers and what they are belching is not Smoke it is Water Vapour. :groan: Then they tell us of the huge threat of melting Icebergs raising the oceans and flooding places. Well try this. Fill a glass or some other vessel with blocks of ice and then top it up to the rim with water. You can then sit back and watch the ice melt and observe the amount of water that flows over the rim of the vessel you have chosen. Yeah, the same amount that the oceans will rise. I’m afraid the Greenies are impostors and their credibility zip. :illogical BM doesn't seem to know the difference between icebergs and icecaps.	martynz (5445)
1292602	2012-08-11 08:37:00	BM doesn't seem to know the difference between icebergs and icecaps. :lol: Oh, so you’re telling me it was an Ice Cap that went floating past Dunedin a while ago that caused alarm and despondency among the nutters. :lol:	B.M. (505)
1292603	2012-08-12 11:50:00	Perhaps B.M. is not aware that when you burn coal you get CO2. That is why coal-burning power stations emit carbon - steam from cooling towers has nothing to do with it.	Jayess64 (8703)
1292604	2012-08-12 12:06:00	Perhaps B.M. is not aware that when you burn coal you get CO2. That is why coal-burning power stations emit carbon - steam from cooling towers has nothing to do with it. It wasn't that but the greenies trying to fool people into thinking those cooling towers were chimneys. That is as bad as the polar bear photo which that Aussie took.	mikebartnz (21)
1292605	2012-08-12 20:32:00	It wasn't that but the greenies trying to fool people into thinking those cooling towers were chimneys. That is as bad as the polar bear photo which that Aussie took. And that is the self inflicted problem the Greenies now have. They have been caught out to often either distorting the facts or just straight out telling lies. It is IMHO a great pity because a lot of good work by well meaning people is now viewed with great skepticism by anyone with enough grey matter to think for themselves rather than just accept what they are told.	CliveM (6007)
1292606	2012-08-13 07:36:00	It wasn't that but the greenies trying to fool people into thinking those cooling towers were chimneys. That is as bad as the polar bear photo which that Aussie took. But the issue is not who knows a chimney when they see one, but your statement: "Whilst we’re “Myth Busting” we should attend to the great “Greenie” B/S that coal powered power stations are emitting huge amounts of Carbon." That is just nonsense - there is no myth or B/S here, but simple fact.	Jayess64 (8703)
1292607	2012-08-13 08:04:00	But the issue is not who knows a chimney when they see one, but your statement: "Whilst we’re “Myth Busting” we should attend to the great “Greenie” B/S that coal powered power stations are emitting huge amounts of Carbon." That is just nonsense - there is no myth or B/S here, but simple fact. For one it wasn't my statement and CO2 has been in far higher concentrations than it is now and guess what the world is still ticking over.	mikebartnz (21)
1292608	2012-08-13 10:53:00	For one it wasn't my statement and CO2 has been in far higher concentrations than it is now and guess what the world is still ticking over. Well, it is your statement - read your original post. But there is one thing we can agree on: using pictures of steam rising from cooling towers is irrelevant and a distraction from the real issues. But the clear inference from your post is that you believe that coal-burning power stations do not emit large quantities of carbon as CO2 gas (let's leave out "huge" as too emotive). If you believe that, then you are wrong. As far as CO2 being "in far higher concentrations than it is now" is concerned, the concentration today is over 390ppm and still rising. Ice-core research shows that the present concentration is by far the highest it has been in the last 800,000 years, and the human species has been around for only a fraction of that period. The world may still be ticking over and no doubt will continue to do so, but for us (i.e. human society) the important issue is how it will "tick" in the future. Over thousands of years we have evolved to adapt to the remarkably stable conditions that followed the last glacial period, but now the evidence is growing that those conditions are changing over time scales that can be measured in decades, and we are the ones pushing the changes along. We live in interesting times.	Jayess64 (8703)
1292609	2012-08-13 11:10:00	Well, it is your statement - read your original post. But there is one thing we can agree on: using pictures of steam rising from cooling towers is irrelevant and a distraction from the real issues. But the clear inference from your post is that you believe that coal-burning power stations do not emit large quantities of carbon as CO2 gas (let's leave out "huge" as too emotive). If you believe that, then you are wrong. That was originally B.M. post. I was just explaining what you had missed so go read from the beginning. As far as CO2 being "in far higher concentrations than it is now" is concerned, the concentration today is over 390ppm and still rising. Ice-core research shows that the present concentration is by far the highest it has been in the last 800,000 years, and the human species has been around for only a fraction of that period. The world may still be ticking over and no doubt will continue to do so, but for us (i.e. human society) the important issue is how it will "tick" in the future. Over thousands of years we have evolved to adapt to the remarkably stable conditions that followed the last glacial period, but now the evidence is growing that those conditions are changing over time scales that can be measured in decades, and we are the ones pushing the changes along. We live in interesting times. While I am quite happy to admit we are stupid to create any more pollution than we need there is only one real cure for what we humans are doing to the world and that is a major reduction in the worlds population. The other thing we need to stop doing is the manufacture of crap products that last two minutes and then end up in the land fill and we all know where most of that comes from.	mikebartnz (21)
1292610	2012-08-13 12:00:00	That was originally B.M. post. I was just explaining what you had missed so go read from the beginning. While I am quite happy to admit we are stupid to create any more pollution than we need there is only one real cure for what we humans are doing to the world and that is a major reduction in the worlds population. The other thing we need to stop doing is the manufacture of crap products that last two minutes and then end up in the land fill and we all know where most of that comes from. Whoops! Yes, I apologise, you're not B.M. (who must be having a quiet chuckle at his argument being carried on by proxy). I must say, your Green credentials seem impeccable.	Jayess64 (8703)
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