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Thread ID: 26114	2002-10-19 21:52:00	OT (sort of) Question:	Baldy (26)	Press F1

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90903	2002-10-20 07:39:00	Well it's only semantics and a matter of degree, but we had used to talk of the car assembly industry and ckd kits etc, rather than the car manufacturing industry. Been out of involvement with manufacturing for too long now, but probably F&P are one of the few big manufacturers left that do pretty well everything from design, R&D, QA, right through to manufacture, sales, marketing, the lot. Massport would be another.	Terry Porritt (14)
90904	2002-10-21 01:09:00	> Well it's only semantics and a matter of degree, but > we had used to talk of the car assembly > industry and ckd kits etc, rather than the car > manufacturing industry. Been out of involvement with > manufacturing for too long now, but probably F&P are > one of the few big manufacturers left that do pretty > well everything from design, R&D, QA, right through > to manufacture, sales, marketing, the lot. > Massport would be another. Yes Terry, I remember when we had car assembly plants out the Hutt. I can't see why the PC Company can't put "Assembled In NZ" No way are the manufactured here. Incidently, the Harley Davidson plants in Japan ARE ACTUALLY Harley Davidson plants.	Baldy (26)
90905	2002-10-21 02:29:00	> * four Hard drive manufacturers * 6-8 motherboard manufacturers Sorry but I've to disagree with you on this one :) ... HDD .. you have IBM, Seagate, Fujitsu, Maxtor, Wester Digital, Samsung Motherboard .. more like 20 - 25 at least .. Just to name a few... Asus, Aopen, Abit, Gigabyte, IWill, Soltek, MSI, Intel, Tyan, Epox, Elite Group, Leadtek, 2 the max, Magic Pro, Shuttle, DFI, Acorp, QDI, Biostar, Soyo, Chaintech, ATrend, Transcend, FIC ..etc Cheers :D	mashimaro (2168)
90906	2002-10-21 02:45:00	There is a difference between assemblers & manufacturers. Manufacturers like Digital (who I worked for) Compaq, Acer, etc actually design & manufacture motherboards & the associated Bios. Believe it or not they have 100's of highly paid engineers designing what we called 'balanced systems' from the silicon up. Some of this manufacturing is outsourced - but Digital used make all its own Motherboards PC & Servers in the Taiwan plant. Components (graphic chips etc) are supplied to meet 'manufacturer's specs'. Systems were subjected to shock & heat tests, windows compatibility etc prior to release to Mfg. Systems that are assembled from this week's cheapest set of components available 'off the dock' in Taiwan do not have the same reliability of performance. Sure you can assemble a superfast PC (it's my hobby) but it is not the same. Really, it's not the same. So unless they are designing & building balanced systems- they are 'local assemblers'. Peter H.	qcgroup (2260)
90907	2002-10-21 03:31:00	> What's worse are the rebranded DSE items . They'd be > good if they didn't say DSE on them . > -=JM=- can you explain what you mean by that statement?	Baldy (26)
90908	2002-10-21 03:37:00	> There is a difference between assemblers & > manufacturers. > Manufacturers like Digital (who I worked for) Compaq, > Acer, etc actually design & manufacture motherboards > & the associated Bios. > Believe it or not they have 100's of highly paid > engineers designing what we called 'balanced systems' > from the silicon up. Some of this manufacturing is > outsourced - but Digital used make all its own > Motherboards PC & Servers in the Taiwan plant. > > Components (graphic chips etc) are supplied to meet > 'manufacturer's specs'. Systems were subjected to > shock & heat tests, windows compatibility etc prior > to release to Mfg. > > Systems that are assembled from this week's cheapest > set of components available 'off the dock' in Taiwan > do not have the same reliability of performance. Sure > you can assemble a superfast PC (it's my hobby) but > it is not the same. Really, it's not the same. > > So unless they are designing & building balanced > systems- they are 'local assemblers'. > > Peter H. Interesting point Peter..... I have often wondered if half the computer woes on this forum aren't as a result of the "hotrodded" mish-mash of installed components to make up a custom built computer.	Baldy (26)
90909	2002-10-21 06:24:00	> > > What's worse are the rebranded DSE items. They'd > be > > good if they didn't say DSE on them. > > > > -=JM=- can you explain what you mean by that > statement? well DSE (Dick Smith Electronics) sell some very nice products. Some of them are actually just rebranded products of another manufacturer/brand. It's just that DSE has a kind of bad name to it in some circles. But the actual product is fine. Another example is in the car industry. A lot of them are just another vehicle with a new badge and a minor (very) change in styling. Daihatsu Charade and Toyota Starlet being one example. They're the same vehicle. But I'm sure most people would much rather have a Toyota.	-=JM=- (16)
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