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Thread ID: 27407	2002-11-21 21:36:00	small legal advice	SoniKalien (792)	Press F1

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100422	2002-11-22 22:46:00	Indeed. Failure by SiK to read terms and agreements etc is not a Orcons fault. It's SiK's fault. He used the service he pays and it should be the full $29 as they are the terms that Orcon supposidly uses. It sounds a bit sus that SiK did this by "accident". In the court of law failure to know the law is no excuse. It's the same with contracts. Why don't i go down the road and hit someone, then say i didn't know you weren't allowed to do that and get off the charge. Unlikely, same in SiK's case	roofus (483)
100423	2002-11-22 23:58:00	> > Ain't this turning into a nice little cabbage patch > :D > > SiK Is this the very same cabbage patch as you got bubs from SiK ?	Baldy (26)
100424	2002-11-23 00:39:00	Perhaps Sonikalien, you could attempt to bargin with jaybest to be able to use the rest of the months worth at orcon?.. Since you have now admitted to using it for a whole day n'all... or did you use it longer??	Trev0 (1995)
100425	2002-11-23 07:33:00	> > Recently we have had a very small number of people > > "trying it on" but it is a robust and *very* > > trackable system. > > Please make the phrase 'trying it on' more clearer. > If these people are attempting to get through > security measures, then Im not one of them. > > OTOH if they are 'tutuing' or fiddling around, to see > how far you can go (without proper forms of ID I > might add) then I guess Im guilty as charged. Is fiddling around "to see how far you can go" not another way of saying you were trying to get around security measures? > > From our side, it is a pretty simple > > If a customer has signed up for an account and has > > been using it for a period of time, > > I generally feel quite happy charging that. > > - again common sense here - if it *really* is that > > bad and you have been using it for > > 10 hours or more, even by mistake, what do you > think > > is fair? > > Ok, I think $1 payment for a day's use is fair. Oh come on... these guy's are just providing a service... what ISP provides a "day by day" service anyway? Do Pizza Hutt charge by the slice? Nope. You pay for the full pizza regardless of how much you eat. Taking the moral high ground and not being prepared to face the consequences of your action is what really annoys me about the attitude of some ppl today. If you are going to speed on the motorway, then you can expect to pay a fine. Why should you be entitled to reduce the charge of the fine just because you "didn't know the speed limit" or in this case you were "tutuing" around?? I dunno... if you get off without penalty, then all power to you. Personally, I feel that ppl nowadays should take responsibility for what they do. Lo.	Lohsing (219)
100426	2002-11-23 08:55:00	I think realistically Sik, you'll have to pay. Having not read the T&C is your fault, and your fault only. Most companies would probably flag the charge if you asked them nicely, but it does look like you knew what you we're doing, so you're on thin ground... I'd give them a call, ask nicely, and see what happens. If that fails, pay, and I'm sure you will read things more carefully before clicking next time. :) One must also give Orcon some respect for providing the 2x 100MBit Lines that feed DCPP... :) Erin	Erin Salmon (626)
100427	2002-11-23 09:38:00	>Is this the very same cabbage patch as you got bubs from SiK ? Er, no . I would expect better lineage than that . :p >>Is fiddling around "to see how far you can go" not another way of saying you were trying to get around security measures? Is driving up a private driveway to see how far you could go before you got stopped by a gate trying to get around security measures? No . If you know anything about hacking (not that I'm claiming to) then you will know that the approach I took is a very lame one if I had criminal intent . >>Oh come on . . . these guy's are just providing a service . . . what ISP provides a "day by day" service anyway? Orcon does . . . . >>Taking the moral high ground and not being prepared to face the consequences of your action is what really annoys me about the attitude of some ppl today . If you are going to speed on the motorway, then you can expect to pay a fine . Why should you be entitled to reduce the charge of the fine just because you "didn't know the speed limit" or in this case you were "tutuing" around?? What the hell has that got to do with the price of fish? All I bloody asked was what my legal obligations were . I din't ask for a berating from someone who belies little knowledge in the security industry . If I was in a worse mood I might tell you things that could get me into trouble . Stay outa my face Lo . X-( SiK	SoniKalien (792)
100428	2002-11-23 09:39:00	Ahem. I've been in touch with Jay. Let's just say things are getting interesting. SiK	SoniKalien (792)
100429	2002-11-23 10:12:00	> > Is this the very same cabbage patch as you got bubs > from SiK ? > > Er, no. I would expect better lineage than that. :p > Was only cracking a joke SiK......... didn't your mother tell you that you came from the cabbage patch	Baldy (26)
100430	2002-11-23 10:35:00	I never had a mother... SiK	SoniKalien (792)
100431	2002-11-23 16:36:00	> Is driving up a private driveway to see how far you > could go before you got stopped by a gate trying to > get around security measures? A *PRIVATE* driveway? Why would you be on someone else's driveway in the first place? ?:| > What the hell has that got to do with the price of > fish? > > All I bloody asked was what my legal obligations > were . I din't ask for a berating from someone who > belies little knowledge in the security industry . > > If I was in a worse mood I might tell you things that > could get me into trouble . > > Stay outa my face Lo . X-( > > SiK Woah . . . looks like I hit a raw nerve there . . . :O . . . take a chill pill dude . If you are going to post something as controversial as this to a public board, getting feedback on it is to be expected . Last time I checked, this WAS a public board and it is a free country, so I can express however I feel . Either way, you've come across as a guy who likes to explore stuff and doesn't worry about silly things such as credit ratings, etc . . . ;) Relax and enjoy your Sunday arvo :) Lo .	Lohsing (219)
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