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Thread ID: 27416	2002-11-22 01:42:00	OT - Who's happy about the Big 5 Disshing out DoS attacks?!	Chilling_Silence (9)	Press F1

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100508	2002-11-22 03:02:00	It says "Barred from ever getting connected to the net again" Now, I know there's Cyber Cafes and all (Duh.. I used to work at one!), but that's pretty bad... What if they'd told that kid no net forever, all coz he did a book report on hp? Godfather, you're right, I would... Who wouldnt, but crashing PC's and stuff like that can't be good. Those CD's dont play on all stereos either, and I know a lot of people who have CD players brought about 4 or so years ago that they really dont wanna go replacing coz somebody else decides to prevent them being played in all stereos and PCs! Its a hard case this one... Crozier, You're right about the software, Look at mess.be, there's tons of things there that can be used to crash MSN and stuff like that, there's also stuff there to counter it. I tried it out on a friend, I lagged him so bad it crashed his net connection... It could be something like this that they try doing too.... BTW, I'm not sure I fully understand how DoS attacks work.. I've read something a while back, but dont remember it very well... Anywbody able to help out there too? Cheers	Chilling_Silence (9)
100509	2002-11-22 04:09:00	It's probably a stupid idea from intellectually challenged lawyers and accountants and managers who "think" that they are important. DOS attacks are hogs of bandwidth. They will harm so many other people (by slowing everything) that if they are misguided enough to try it there will be a backlash. Their own sites won't be very useful. :D	Graham L (2)
100510	2002-11-22 04:35:00	You're right Graham, 5 against the "whole" world? I know who would win :) Mind you, I dont go in for this illegal "music" sharing business, mainly because I can get all the 1920s-30s real music I want anyway, and quite legally.	Terry Porritt (14)
100511	2002-11-22 04:48:00	CDs that don't play on every CD player in my house suck. I should take them back. Copy protection that makes my job more difficult because I can't install a copy on Win98 unless it is an upgrade, etc, sucks. When the attempts to protect interests disadvantage real customers, you could lose more customers than you gain. Half the people that download music (for example) weren't ever going to buy the CD, and they could tape it off the radio if they really wanted to. And don't they make enough anyway? Or am I missing something and all these rockstars are eating food out of the jumbo bins in the back of KFC?	robo (205)
100512	2002-11-22 06:44:00	I remember (in the 1960s) someone was stealing 4x2" timber from a building site and using it for firewood. The owner of the timber got a little annoyed. Drilled some of the timber and inserted .22 bullets. Would you do this? I would! Only I hope I might be a little more subtle. I am a firm believer in the idea that a Person's home is their Castle as it were. Being as the so-called Justice system is letting us honest people down what recourse do we have? Just my 2 cents worth. :-)	Elephant (599)
100513	2002-11-22 07:03:00	Well some protected CDs can render an Apple from working, or so I've heard. When it's music/software being "stolen" digitally in a lot of cases I don't see what the big problem is. If someone is going to download a copy of a song from the internet. They're not stealing the actual legitimate CD and accompanying material. In a lot of cases the song is something that they would not get otherwise. This is a lot different from walking in to a music store and walking out with a CD stuffed down your pants. You've stolen from the artist, record company and the retailer. Also couriers and the like will come into it as well. This is an actual product that has been stolen, there is something missing. If you really like the song and listen to it all the time then you should buy it. But if not, has the artist/etc lost any money that they would have got from you. NO they haven't because you wouldn't have bought it in the first place. The same happens with software, it is well known that some of the big ticket software items the company doesn't mind if you're using there software for free as long as it's not on a commercial basis. Say you're a student (teenage) and are interested in 3D modelling. It's completely unreasonable to go and purchase a professional 3D modelling program such as 3D Studio Max just to find out that you don't like the software or don't enjoy 3D modelling. Where as if this person manages to get a copy of the program from somewhere and uses it, they'll get rather proficient with that piece of software and prefer it to the other competing pieces of software. Now this person will probably purchase the software when he can and will begin doing jobs for people and continue purchasing subsequent releases. In that case this "stealing" can benefit the company.	-=JM=- (16)
100514	2002-11-22 07:23:00	Hmm...so in your view JM, is it all right to steal...say electricity? You are not stealing the generator, the cables, the transformer. You are stealing a product. Unlike the music track, you only get to use the electricity once whereas you have kept the music. Connecting a cable upstream of your meter is not a lot different to downloading something you are not entitled to. And before you say "but I don't know how to steal electricity", remember the electricity thief probably doesn't know how to download pirated music. $0.02	godfather (25)
100515	2002-11-22 10:39:00	good point godfather:) It's not possible to cover all possibilities, but I'm sure I did say software/music :p In the case you mentioned that is most definitely wrong as it is costing someone (the company) and possibly even one of the paying customers will be having this added directly onto his/her bill. Or atleast the cost will be being spread over all of the customers (a price rise). In the case of the music/software as I mentioned in my earlier post as far as I can tell the company is not losing any money.	-=JM=- (16)
100516	2002-11-22 16:07:00	Every musician i know who is into it for love of music wants thier music distributed by any means possible.. When i showed one how Audio Galaxy worked, he asked me if i could rip some songs of a cd and "host them to the world" It was of course my pleasure to do so. Of course it was his music, so it was his choice. free music affects the sales of magor acts, but strenthens the position of the smaller less known acts who gain from just getting out there and being noticed There are so many sides to the story... BTW.. the red hot chill peppers were great at QEII 5 hours ago Hoorah! .Clueless	Clueless (181)
100517	2002-11-22 20:21:00	> Drilled some of the timber and inserted .22 bullets. > > Would you do this? > > I would! Only I hope I might be a little more > subtle. I hope you would be more subtle, or do you think that the death penalty is an appropriate punishment for wood theft? There is this 'law' thingie which helps society avoid feudal rule and anarchy. It's quite clever really. It even managed to drag the human race out of the dark ages!	BIFF (1)
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