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| 105377 | 2002-12-12 08:11:00 | My newish XP home system with a Belkin 4port hub used to work, but then it stopped recognising devices on the hub unless I uninstalled the ports on the hardware page and let the system find them again. XP actually turns the hub LEDs off during the boot!. But now if I do anything to the USB, in hardware or via control panel the machine instantly reboots, trashing files. THANKS FOR EVERYTHING, BILL! Any ideas, anyone? |
lccw (2757) | ||
| 105378 | 2002-12-12 10:23:00 | XP does restart the hub during a boot. I have a 5 port hub, and the only time I have trouble is when a non-XP compliant device is plugged in. I have a cheap webcam that is not supported, works *sometimes* The hub gives problems similar to yours only if its plugged in. Otherwise it works fine, its recognised as a "generic usb hub" in device manager. No drivers are needed (or available) for the hub. |
godfather (25) | ||
| 105379 | 2002-12-13 09:40:00 | Thanks godfather. Actually I woke up at 4am and couldn't doze so turned machine on and checked the Belkin FAQs. They made the similar point really, physically unplug the hub while power is off, plug in the hub with no devices after the boot, add devices one at a time after "generic root hub " is recognised and installed. (I still say that XP like all its predecessors is an incompetent incomplete pretender of an operating system - if I was doing it wrongly there is no way unplugging anything except the power cord should have caused a reboot.) |
lccw (2757) | ||
| 105380 | 2002-12-13 11:10:00 | >(I still say that XP like all its predecessors is an incompetent incomplete pretender of an operating system - if I was doing it wrongly there is no way unplugging anything except the power cord should have caused a reboot.) Actually you're wrong there. Windows reboots because you haven't turned that particuler feature off! System Settings> Startup and Recovery> Settings allows you to select what to do in the event of a system failure. Which is what's happening with the USB hub and why the PC restarts. Uncheck "Restart Automatically". It irks me when people blame Windows because they can't use it properly. |
crozier (2004) | ||
| 105381 | 2002-12-14 01:01:00 | Thank you, Crozier, you are nearly right, it's a layer further down, but it is there . Not that BILL told anyone, but you did and I am grateful . But I'm not wrong, either . Do you seriously think that unless every user follows every menu in the system right to the end they "don't know how to use it properly . " A computer is a tool to do various jobs, not a lifetime chore . Actually I enjoy 'playing" with them from time to time, but I should have the choice . I really want to spend more time scanning images and improving(?) them, using the web, editing videos, and when I futz with the machine it should be because I want to try something new, not spend two hours not doing what I came for . And I stand by the word "incompetent" : look at that same part of the system and agree that if I choose a small dump for error reporting I must accept having overwritten at every dump, whereas if I choose huge dumps I can accumulate them . While I agree that XP is about as much better than W98 as 3 . 11 was than 3 . 0, it is still gruesomely deficient - eg just as in W95 I have frozen many machines, mine and others, because Explorer can neither receive mouse events fast enough nor ignore them . |
lccw (2757) | ||
| 105382 | 2002-12-14 01:58:00 | >Thank you, Crozier, you are nearly right, it's a layer further down, but it is there : #444444; font-style : italic; "> . Not that BILL told anyone, but you did and I am grateful : #444444; font-style : italic; "> . First point : It was 10 minutes past midnight - I'm only perfect before midnight on the 13th ;) Second point : It wasn't uncle bill who told me but "Windows XP Professional Complete" that did : #444444; font-style : italic; "> . : ) >But I'm not wrong, either : #444444; font-style : italic; "> . : #444444; font-style : italic; "> Do you seriously think that unless every user follows every menu in the system right to the end they "don't know how to use it properly : #444444; font-style : italic; "> . " You didn't know how to use this particular feature, so it's hardly Uncle Bills fault : #444444; font-style : italic; "> . I guess that the installation routine could ask for user input for every feature : #444444; font-style : italic; "> . But that would take an age to configure the PC : #444444; font-style : italic; "> . When I baought XP last year I didn't know how to use it properly - so I went a bought the above text book : #444444; font-style : italic; "> . >And I stand by the word "incompetent" : look at that same part of the system and agree that if I choose a small dump for error reporting I must accept having overwritten at every dump, whereas if I choose huge dumps I can accumulate them : #444444; font-style : italic; "> . ! >While I agree that XP is about as much better than W98 as 3 : #444444; font-style : italic; "> . 11 was than 3 : #444444; font-style : italic; "> . 0, it is still gruesomely deficient The same can be said of every OS that ever existed! It's an evolving science, a lot of what's being done now is at the frontier of the industry : #444444; font-style : italic; "> . In 20 years of computing the only OS I used which was nearly bug free was BBC basic : #444444; font-style : italic; "> . But we were very limited with what we can do back then : #444444; font-style : italic; "> . I guess it's the price of "Progress" : #444444; font-style : italic; "> . I enjoy fiddling with my PC too, but I spend very little time troublshooting or scratching my head, why do you think that is? |
crozier (2004) | ||
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