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Thread ID: 128921	2013-01-23 22:12:00	Dad wants new Computer - which to get?	SanChippy (16951)	Press F1

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1324572	2013-01-23 22:12:00	My Dad wants to get a new Computer, but he can't decide between a Laptop, or All-in-one PC, he knows that both have a aspect of space saving to them, which is why he's not getting a full on desktop. He has narrowed his choices down to two computers. A Samsung Series 7 23 inch All-In-One (the one that looks like a Samsung TV), and a HP ENVY dv7-7201TX. He likes the Samsung because it has a touch-screen, which will be handy to use with W8, but if he gets the HP he said he'll have a bit of headroom to buy other computer peripherals which can provide touch-screen like usability. He also said that it would be good to get a bit of input from others so that he could make a final decision.	SanChippy (16951)
1324573	2013-01-23 22:35:00	Personally neither :) Just because of limited upgrade options. However I think it would come down to how you use it. Sitting on a desk the all in one, lugging it around the laptop	dugimodo (138)
1324574	2013-01-23 22:45:00	Most general users probably I gather aren't going to upgrade them and even for the few enthusiast myself included, when they do upgrade everything in the box is upgraded apart from the case and power supply. Just depends on their lifestyle I think. A tv style or a laptop style. Laptops can be taken into the patio or outside .. cafes etc, be loaned to others, to holidays etc. Or you could argue the tv style and then a tablet ..	Nomad (952)
1324575	2013-01-23 22:50:00	Touchscreen on a desktop which is what all in ones basically are is not good. Try it yourself - sit in front of your current monitor, extend hands and pretend to move things about as if it were a touchscreen, Normally within a few minutes you start to feel pulling or tiredness of muscles around the shoulders. All in ones are nothing more than a oversized laptop anyway, upgrades are limited. In fact if you look at some of the All in ones, under devices and printers, ( from memory) they actually say laptop.	wainuitech (129)
1324576	2013-01-23 23:24:00	Touchscreen on a desktop which is what all in ones basically are is not good. Try it yourself - sit in front of your current monitor, extend hands and pretend to move things about as if it were a touchscreen, Normally within a few minutes you start to feel pulling or tiredness of muscles around the shoulders. All in ones are nothing more than a oversized laptop anyway, upgrades are limited. In fact if you look at some of the All in ones, under devices and printers, ( from memory) they actually say laptop. An excellent point WT	SolMiester (139)
1324577	2013-01-23 23:35:00	According to Microsoft, Windows 8 and touch is suppose to improve accessibility www.microsoft.com I know my father struggled without double-clicking, so in this case a simplified interface may be better.	kingdragonfly (309)
1324578	2013-01-24 01:35:00	Totally agree with WT re vertical touch screens. The screen is also about arms length away so being forced to hold arms out to touch them could be classed as torture. Just think touch screens have to be horizontal and close to the body.	linw (53)
1324579	2013-01-24 02:09:00	I agree with the upgrade comments for myself but lets be real real honest here, I have NEVER met an average joe consumer who wants to upgrade his/her PC with new components . Those of you who run repair businesses know that, customer comes in with a near dead unit 5-7 years old and *finally* decides to upgrade . These days consumer PC's aren't that upgradeable anyway, there's not much point . Both an all in one and of the shelf desktop can have more RAM, new HDD, the main components that get replaced . Some have a single (or double) PCI expansion slot placed horizontally for peripherals (new gfx etc) but who really needs them? Some have socketed CPU's but most are BGA . But lets face it, if you are serious about upgrading your PC you DIY and build it, consumer PC's are just not designed with upgrade in mind . I know thats how most of us here think (me included) but as far as consumers go it's not worth making the convenience compromise for something they are not interested in doing . If it browses the web and makes word docs now it will still do that tomorrow . It's not a gaming machine that needs better specs every year, its a home PC . People don't get all wound up about Passmark on their home PC's, That's my 2c on it anyway My opinion is - if you go for an all in one, don't make the touch screen the deciding feature, with windows 8 the touch screen is an amazing feature but if your target machine doesn't have one its no big deal . If there is a similar priced and specced model with a touch screen go for it though . It will be useful but not useful enough to make a big decision based on having one or not . Really it should all come down to personal preference on the look and style (since the all in one will sit on the desk like an ornament) and in addition to specs you should consider screen quality, since with an all in one you cant just get a better monitor down the track that easily .	The Error Guy (14052)
1324580	2013-01-24 03:29:00	I have a pet hate for all-in-one things. All it means to me is that when one component dies, you throw it all away and buy a new computer at it is far to expensive to pull it all apart to replace a single part (if it is replaceable). On a normal desktop box for example, you can swap out a bung DVD Drive in less than 5 minutes, try that on your all-in-one, not that easy. And yes, same with a screen replacement..... you cant just go buy another screen and plug it in. I make my clients well aware of how its going to be should there be a hardware issue. As for touch screens, WT has nailed the most important aspect. You just cant use a touch screen in a vertical position at arms length (for any period of time). And you should be at least arms-length away from your monitor anyway. Might be a neat thing to show off to your friends but what a waste of time and money. My :2cents:	Iantech (16386)
1324581	2013-01-24 07:24:00	Something that he would use. No point in getting a desktop if he wants to carry it out for eg. Think it's part in part, with all in ones now, even with laptops which are very common, they are pretty reliable these days with screen attached etc. After a couple of yrs even if you could get a new monitor for the PC, you may just want a new system and a new screen isn't gonna cost that much more anyway ... Desktops are maybe the only item now that isn't all in one.	Nomad (952)
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