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Thread ID: 126736	2012-09-15 22:19:00	When is theft theft?	coldfront (15814)	PC World Chat

Post ID	Timestamp	Content	User
1301229	2012-09-15 22:19:00	Exactly what the title says. Come across an interesting one where by a former employee had a search warrent issued on them by former employer who happens to be a Justice of the Peace as well. It was part of an ongoing employment dispute or which employee was ordered to return all items issued with or without corporate logo including items purchased by the employee that carried the corporate logo. Due to dispute a third party became involved to negotiate return of what was required, however employer who is a JP got a warrent issued. Nek minut police raid on house! Now employee is fighting to get return of several personal items including paperwork relating to dispute! Top it off employee got arrested for obstuction but later released for cooperating with police, during the arrest in the person house I might add the employee sustained injury from aggressive police officer witnessed by young child. Events witnessed believe it or not on a webcam! unfortunatly not recorded. According to the police it is theft! The employee had unwittingly committed an act of theft or was it just an overzealous employer using judicial powers issued as a JP?	coldfront (15814)
1301230	2012-09-15 22:51:00	How dumb is a person to steal from work? How dumb is a person to steal from a JP? How dumb is a person to try and stall the process of returning stolen goods to a JP? Of course he called the police, and surprise surprise, The word of a JP is plenty for the police to act upon. Though there is no way in hell a JP should be making judgement calls and signing search warrants for an issue he is involved with, if thats what happened.	Metla (12)
1301231	2012-09-16 01:05:00	It was part of an ongoing employment dispute or which employee was ordered to return all items issued with or without corporate logo including items purchased by the employee that carried the corporate logo. Not really enough info but the employer has absolutely not right to get back anything the employee has purchased and it does sound like the employer should be struck off as a JP.	mikebartnz (21)
1301232	2012-09-16 01:12:00	Cool story bro. Though I suspect you only have half of it. Yes there are very strict rules about JP's conflicts of interest. No, anything he bought (legally, from someone authorised to sell it) cannot belong to the employer.	fred_fish (15241)
1301233	2012-09-16 01:57:00	sounds like theft by policy enforcement officers.	Mirddes (10)
1301234	2012-09-16 02:17:00	Not really enough info but the employer has absolutely not right to get back anything the employee has purchased and it does sound like the employer should be struck off as a JP . You are about the only one that has figured that bit out . They did not Steal anything it was issued by the employer on behalf of the corporation involved . Yes it is half of it and for obvious legal reason the corporate and employer can not be identified at this stage . Items were issued they we not removed or taken they were issued to the person to be retained at home but there is also a question over what would be defined as issued with expectation to return or issued and must be returned . Items were clothing that is all nothing of dramatic high value . Lot of the matter was actually petty! Becomes muddier when the employer decides to change the list of items given to the Police from an earlier list, then decides to further release the return of certain items excluding those purchased by the employee . Yet apparently this can be done on anyone! So next time you lend a mate your screwdriver or lawnmower and they dont return it when you ask you can apparently get a search warrant under section 198, summary proceedings Act 1957! But wait you really need to be a JP to be able to convince a court to issue such a warrant .	coldfront (15814)
1301235	2012-09-16 03:20:00	Yep, sounds petty. And yes, search warrants are available to us all, not just the po-lice. You are also quite correct in the assumption that joe public, rather than a JP, would be told to sod off and stop wasting police time. Go on, it's the anonymous internet - name & shame ... :)	fred_fish (15241)
1301236	2012-09-16 04:11:00	employee was ordered to return all items including items purchased by the employee that carried the corporate logo. employee got arrested for obstuction Why would an employee buy some company logo thing in the first place? They do that, if you don't let them in.	pctek (84)
1301237	2012-09-16 04:22:00	No theft involved in my view, sounds like the JP is the one who should be charged, with wasting police time.	KarameaDave (15222)
1301238	2012-09-16 04:55:00	They did not Steal anything it was issued by the employer on behalf of the corporation involved. Issued != given. A company item issued to an employee, does not become the employees property. Failure to return it on request is theft.	inphinity (7274)
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