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Thread ID: 29400 2003-01-18 19:46:00 (Linux) why do i have a system generated mail folder/message in my email client?? Clueless (181) Press F1
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115083 2003-01-19 04:14:00 OK... i got to see the complete list!

I must seem like a twit sometimes.. i'll make the lame excuse that my background is one of a windows user, and as simple as these programs are to use, it takes a little to get used to the differences.

Is send mail dangerous? Isn't that what certain spammer/hackers just love hooking into? mmmm sendmail on cable with fixed IP....... 		Clueless (181)
115084 2003-01-19 11:52:00 > I must seem like a twit sometimes.. i'll make the
> lame excuse that my background is one of a windows
> user, and as simple as these programs are to use, it
> takes a little to get used to the differences.

"more" actually exists in DOS land and as well as few other tools copied from unix.

> Is send mail dangerous? Isn't that what certain
> spammer/hackers just love hooking into? mmmm sendmail
> on cable with fixed IP.......

Yes, you might want to goto http://scan.sygate.com and see if the world is able to access it. 		bmason (508)
115085 2003-01-19 19:40:00 Thanks bmason
The result:

Operating System = Linux
Browser = Konqueror 3 . 0 . 0

Trying to find out your computer name . . .
Unable to determine your computer name!

Trying to find out what services you are running . . .
Unable to detect any running services!

Well thats a bit of a releif!

. Clueless 		Clueless (181)
115086 2003-01-19 20:20:00 I know this is getting a bit OT..
but
I have killed send mail (because i could :)) and it has proven unnessessary. I was able to send myself test email from kmail no problem at all! Now what do i have to do to ensure it does not start itself up again?

I would prefer to edit some file somewhere rather than use the yast2 control toy, i'll learn more that way.

.Clueless 		Clueless (181)
115087 2003-01-20 01:01:00 Have a look down the /etc/rc.d tree . You'll find a lot of files called sendmail, samba, telnetd, ftpd, etc. Each has a line in it which either enables that service or disables it. This lot is gone through at boot time.

Sendmail had a weakness (a security feature which was generally turned off) which was well known at the time. That enabled the great Internet Worm to get into a lot of machines in November 1988, and effectively shut down the Internet.

A lot of attention has been given to sendmail since. ;-) I think that the version you have will be pretty safe. 		Graham L (2)
115088 2003-01-20 03:22:00 Well that seemed simple enough.... but

Right now i'm poking aroung, logged in as root, and found that etc/rc.d is a link to etc/init.d where a series of "shell scripts" live. "Sendmail" is of course one of them.

Acording to the readme: " (they have been moved accordingly to the Linux Standard Base (LSB) specification)
After system startup, /sbin/init calls the run level master script /etc/init.d/rc to start or stop services provided by the other scripts under /etc/init.d/.
To control the services of a run level, the corresponding scripts are linked into run level directories /etc/init.d/rc<X>.d/, where <X>=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,S is the run level number"

on it goes.. but from what i can gather (please correct me if im wrong) the links in say /etc/init.d/rc5.d that go to sendmail tell it to kick in when starting at runlevel5
Presumably K13sendmail kills it just so S10sendmail can start it.. both these links go to etc/init.d/sendmail

I totally do not get the lines of sendmail itself, but if i move these links to a new directory such as etc/init.d/not_anymore will that safely prevent them from being fired up at boot?

.Clueless 		Clueless (181)
115089 2003-01-20 03:33:00 You shouldn't have to move them ... carefully read the scripts. There will be a line which says "enable" or "yes". (look at one service which doesn't start ever to see what disables it.). It's a while since I have looked at them. The control is in the actual script, as far as I know. That gives one place where it can be done. Imagine trying to find all the places where something is called from. Graham L (2)
115090 2003-01-20 03:50:00 Hi Clueless,

You can also alter the settings for your daemons through Yast Control Centre under Basic Network Settings Start/Stop inetd. This will also tell you what other services you are kindly offering to Joe public.

Not command line, so don't tell anyone I mentioned it ;) 		Gorela (901)
115091 2003-01-20 05:14:00 Graham,
It seems almost like we are talking about different scripts
this is etc/init ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> . d/sendmail
The line that says
" ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; if test " ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; $SMTPD_LISTEN_REMOTE" ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; != " ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; yes" ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; then" ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ;
is the closest i can find to what you describe, but doesnt seem right ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> . Here is the script i am dealing with ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> .

#! /bin/sh
# Copyright (c) 1996-2002 SuSE Gmbh Nuernberg, Germany ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> .
#
# Author: Florian La Roche, 1996, 1997
# Werner Fink < ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; feedback@suse ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> . de> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; , 1996, 1999-2002
#
### BEGIN INIT INFO
# Provides: sendmail
# Required-Start: $remote_fs amavis
# Required-Stop:
# Default-Start: 3 5
# Default-Stop:
# Description: Start the Sendmail MTA
### END INIT INFO

test -s /etc/sysconfig/mail & ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; & ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; \
; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> . /etc/sysconfig/mail

test -s /etc/sysconfig/sendmail & ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; & ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; \
; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> . /etc/sysconfig/sendmail

if test -z " ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; $SENDMAIL_ARGS" ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; then
SENDMAIL_ARGS=" ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; -L sendmail -Am -bd -q30m -om" ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ;
fi
if test -z " ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; $SENDMAIL_CLIENT_ARGS" ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; then
SENDMAIL_CLIENT_ARGS=" ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; -L sendmail-client -Ac -q30m" ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ;
fi
if test " ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; $SMTPD_LISTEN_REMOTE" ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; != " ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; yes" ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; then
SENDMAIL_ARGS=" ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; -O DaemonPortOptions=Addr=127 ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> . 0 ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> . 0 ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> . 1 $SENDMAIL_ARGS" ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ;
fi
msppid=/var/spool/clientmqueue/sm-client ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> . pid
srvpid=/var/run/sendmail ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> . pid

; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> . /etc/rc ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> . status
rc_reset
case " ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; $1" ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; in
start)
echo -n " ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; Initializing SMTP port (sendmail)" ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ;
startproc -p $srvpid /usr/sbin/sendmail $SENDMAIL_ARGS
rc_status
startproc -f -p $msppid /usr/sbin/sendmail $SENDMAIL_CLIENT_ARGS
rc_status -v
; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ;
stop)
echo -n " ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; Shutting down SMTP port" ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ;
killproc -p $msppid -TERM /usr/sbin/sendmail
rc_status
killproc -p $srvpid -TERM /usr/sbin/sendmail
rc_status -v
; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ;
try-restart)
$0 stop & ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; & ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; $0 start
rc_status
; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ;
restart)
$0 stop
$0 start
rc_status
; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ;
reload|force-reload)
echo -n " ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; Reload service sendmail" ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ;
killproc -p $srvpid -HUP /usr/sbin/sendmail
rc_status -v
; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ;
status)
echo -n " ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; Checking for service sendmail: " ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ;
checkproc -p $srvpid /usr/sbin/sendmail
rc_status
checkproc -p $msppid /usr/sbin/sendmail
rc_status -v
; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ;
probe)
test /etc/sendmail ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> . cf -nt $srvpid -o /etc/mail/submit ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> . cf -nt $msppid \
& ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; & ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; echo reload
; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ;
*)
echo " ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; Usage: $0 {start|stop|status|try-restart|restart|force-reload|reload|probe}" ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ;
exit 1
esac
rc_exit

Gorela, I want to edit something rather than use Yast, even though yast2 seems much simpler because i want to understand how things work ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> . However if i dont get this one by the end of tonight, i&apos ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; ll probably treat it as sufficiant excercise, and use yast2 as suggested after all ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> .
; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; font-style:italic ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> ; font-style:italic ; "> ; "> . Clueless 		Clueless (181)
115092 2003-01-20 05:35:00 > Operating System = Linux
> Browser = Konqueror 3.0.0
>
> Trying to find out your computer name...
> Unable to determine your computer name!
>
> Trying to find out what services you are running...
> Unable to detect any running services!
>
> Well thats a bit of a releif!

Hmmm .... I just tried Sygate Security Scan without my Lycoris Firewall enabled and got:

Operating System = Linux i686
Browser = Netscape Navigator 5.0

Trying to find out your computer name...
Unable to determine your computer name!

Trying to find out what services you are running...
Unable to detect any running services!

Same result with the firewall turned on - very strange ?:| 		Jen C (20)
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