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Thread ID: 29444	2003-01-20 09:12:00	backing up my game	roofus (483)	Press F1

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115682	2003-01-21 23:47:00	> >common sense should prevail over over-zealous law. > > Hmmm, isn't that what you'd call anarchy? And isn't what you're doing called censorship? Oppressing freedom of speech, etc? > >I believe this law is a farce along with others out > there. To tell me I can't copy a game I own, and > expect it to get scratched so I can't play it any > longer is bollocks. > > First, Lohsing, that kind of language is uncalled for > and usually indicates that the author is unable to > express themselves better, rember that this is > supposed to be a family oriented forum! Please keep > your vulgarities to yourself! Pffft... Don't see you going off at others who have used stronger language than bollocks. :| What is your opinion on "bugger" ?? Perhaps I should have said, "I'll be buggered if I can't back-up a game I have paid for." ? > Secondly, as long as I consider a law to be a farce > then it's OK to flout it? If I consider shoplifting > to be a silly law then it OK for me to shoplift? Let's get real for a second here. The line of legality is clear cut, but at the end of the day, it's application in society is not a black and white situation. I point you to the issue of speeding. Do you drive a car? Do you always drive to the speed limit? Bit different to considering whether laws regarding shoplifting are fair or not. > >The point is, Crozier, that unless you follow > absolutely every single law in the country, then you > are in no position to be preaching technicalities to > anyone. > > You're assuming that I don't try to follow every law? > That you're judging me by your own standards? I > wasn't 'preaching' I was complaining that the > discussion was in the wrong forum. And I'm suggesting to you that it isn't your place to decide whether a topic is in the correct forum or not. By the very definition, I consider you are preaching a "holier than thou" scenario to roofus, chilling silence and myself. > Neither MP3 or P2P software is illegal. However > sharing copyright material is. You do see the > difference, don't you? Of course I do. And yet you fail to see how far into society the acceptance of piracy has gone. We have ISP's showing us how to use P2P to download music. We have hardware being advertised blatantly flaunting the rules of copyright (Apple's advertising regarding DVD writers). How do you convince yourself that the majority of P2P services out there are not used for the purposes of piracy?? I remain unconvinced about the legality of not being able to back-up your own CD in the above circumstances, and fully reserve my right to express my opinions in an open forum. Lo.	Lohsing (219)
115683	2003-01-22 00:39:00	Scratched CD's It amazes me how your CDs seemed to get scratched! I have a game CD which I play everyday and its still as squeeky clean as the day I brought it I was brought up in the era of the LP record, and quickly learned that ANY mistreatment of the black vinyl resulted in clicks and pops. I have always treated my CDs as if they were a LP. I would have thought if you spend $100 on a game, you would have at least held it by the edges, and put it back in its cover straight after use. I am not being critical or flaming anyone here, just making an observation. Roofus, how are your discs getting scratched so easily? BALDY:-)	Baldy (26)
115684	2003-01-22 00:39:00	>And isn't what you're doing called censorship? Oppressing freedom of speech, etc? No . I have no problem with anyone discussing illegal acts . I just don't believe this is the right place for it . >Pffft . . . Don't see you going off at others who have used stronger language than bollocks . I often do, whenever I see it! >What is your opinion on "bugger" ?? Perhaps I should have said, "I'll be buggered if I can't back-up a game I have paid for . " ? I object to the word in a FAMILY ORIENTED FORUM . >Do you always drive to the speed limit? Yes . >And I'm suggesting to you that it isn't your place to decide whether a topic is in the correct forum or not . I believe that it is the policy of this forum . >And yet you fail to see how far into society the acceptance of piracy has gone . I don't fail to see that at all! Just because it's been accepted in many areas of society doesn't make it morally right or legal . >How do you convince yourself that the majority of P2P services out there are not used for the purposes of piracy ?? It's not illegal to own software capable of breaking the law - it's illegal to actually break it . To use your car analogy, I own a car which is capable of doing well over 100kph, it's legal for me to own it . But I don't drive it at that speed as soon as I did I would be breaking the law . >I remain unconvinced about the legality of not being able to back-up your own CD in the above circumstances The emu is well known for sticking it's head in the sand too, but it should be aware that an important part of it's anatomy is presented in such a way as to make it vulnerable to attack . Ingorance of the law is no defence .	crozier (2004)
115685	2003-01-22 00:45:00	> Yes, I agree... And in my place, unless the CD is > hidden under your pillow or something similar (Im > serious!), then it'll be scratched very quickly... 4 > year olds just dont 'click' on how to handle CD's, > even after being told over and over! > > I bought an audio CD a few weeks ago... maybe just > before christmas, and already it skips due to > scratches!!! Chilling, you should teach a four year old that they don't touch any CDs. Sometimes you have to make an effort to actually teach little kids things. They don't know on their own. It dosen't really take much effort in the end you know	Baldy (26)
115686	2003-01-22 00:55:00	> > Chilling, you should teach a four year old that they > don't touch any CDs . Sometimes you have to > make an effort to actually teach little kids things . > They don't know on their own . Yeah . . . but when your parents buy your 4 year old sister a teletubby's game for christmas,she'll just put any CD in and hope it works . . now its all very well and good telling them not to, but when there's another 5 s4 siblings to keep your eye one . . you have to take turns with which one you're watching! All I know is that I bought Jedi Knight 2 : Jedi Outcast and Im the only one who can play it . . NT Restrictions setup on My PC and My PC is the only one that can run it (Family PC isnt frunty enough and doesnt have enough HDD space) . . . I showed them all that no matter how hard they tried they couldnt get into it . . . But still . . The 4 year old will insert it into the drive when she's had enough of teletubbies . . . Oh if only the world was so simple that I could say "Dont touch it" and it'd work ;-)	Chilling_Silence (9)
115687	2003-01-22 01:01:00	Everyone should come to Dunedin. We have set up our own CD Copying Republic down here. You might have seen it on the TVOne and TV3 news this week. If you have anything you own or have borrowed on CD, you pay your $5 and away you go happy. Goes to prove, not only do we make Haggis down here. We make our own CD copying laws as well. BALDY:-)	Baldy (26)
115688	2003-01-22 01:05:00	> Goes to prove, not only do we make Haggis down here. > We make our own CD copying laws as well. You should register it as an intependant country and run for PM!	Chilling_Silence (9)
115689	2003-01-22 01:35:00	No, not PC enough - even for this this town. Besides, I'm too busy running the Haggis Factory	Baldy (26)
115690	2003-01-22 02:12:00	> >And isn't what you're doing called censorship? > Oppressing freedom of speech, etc? > > No . I have no problem with anyone discussing illegal > acts . I just don't believe this is the right place > for it . > > >Pffft . . . Don't see you going off at others who have > used stronger language than bollocks . > > I often do, whenever I see it! Well seeing as you are now the resident cyber-cop, why don't you remind Mikebartnz for this ( . pcworld . co . nz/thread . jsp?forum=1&thread=30215&q=****#125551" target="_blank">pressf1 . pcworld . co . nz) violation . How about going after Mark Veldhuizen for his comments here ( . pcworld . co . nz/thread . jsp?forum=1&thread=30204&start=15&msRange=15" target="_blank">pressf1 . pcworld . co . nz) . See the problem here is that consistency is the key . Your justification in giving me grief for using "bollocks" while ignoring others is just laughable . You've lost all credibility already . > >What is your opinion on "bugger" ?? Perhaps I should > have said, "I'll be buggered if I can't back-up a > game I have paid for . " ? > > I object to the word in a FAMILY ORIENTED FORUM . See above . > >Do you always drive to the speed limit? > > Yes . ROFLMAO :D . . . Of COURSE you do . . . :| > >And I'm suggesting to you that it isn't your place > to decide whether a topic is in the correct forum or > not . > > I believe that it is the policy of this forum . And it's your place to point it out? > >And yet you fail to see how far into society the > acceptance of piracy has gone . > > I don't fail to see that at all! Just because it's > been accepted in many areas of society doesn't make > it morally right or legal . Uh huh . . . so what you're conceding is that while it is morally ok to do so, it isn't legal? > >How do you convince yourself that the majority of > P2P services out there are not used for the purposes > of piracy ?? > > It's not illegal to own software capable of breaking > the law - it's illegal to actually break it . To use > your car analogy, I own a car which is capable of > doing well over 100kph, it's legal for me to own it . > But I don't drive it at that speed as soon as I did I > would be breaking the law . Sure . Of course you always drive to 100km/hr and have NEVER 1 km/hr over . :| > >I remain unconvinced about the legality of not being > able to back-up your own CD in the above > circumstances > > The emu is well known for sticking it's head in the > sand too, but it should be aware that an important > part of it's anatomy is presented in such a way as to > make it vulnerable to attack . Ingorance of the law is > no defence . LMAO . . . :D . . . now THIS I find funny . . . You're trying to tell me that the majority of P2P users are not illegally swapping mp3s and other files? Are you going to tell me that PF1 users who are on Kazaa, Winmx et al, do not partake in file trading which might infringe on copyrights? Btw, I do agree ignorance is no defence, but if you read carefully what I've said, I have made it clear that I understand the law . I'm just voicing my opinion and fully support roofus' reasons for wanting to make a backup . Furthermore, if you read this ( . pcworld . co . nz/thread . jsp?forum=1&thread=29974&message=123114&q=game#123114" target="_blank">pressf1 . pcworld . co . nz) thread you will see I have a problem with people who don't actually OWN their game . I have no problem if the game is actually paid for and your's . That said, I'm not going to claim to be completely above the law . I speed, I have done my fair share of underage drinking, downloaded mp3's and even "massaged" my CV to get a job when I was much younger . Does that make me an inherently "bad" person? This whole "I'm the perfect citizen and all others should listen to me" is all a bit Utopian for me . Try and view things from down here, off your pedestal . Lo .	Lohsing (219)
115691	2003-01-22 02:15:00	> Sure. Of course you always drive to 100km/hr and have > NEVER 1 km/hr over. :| That should read "have NEVER driven 1 km/hr over the speed limit" Lo.	Lohsing (219)
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