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| Thread ID: 126780 | 2012-09-18 00:23:00 | Hungry school kids | rob_on_guitar (4196) | PC World Chat |
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| 1301789 | 2012-09-19 01:05:00 | The Wikipedia article posted by Terry Porritt shows that it is a worldwide problem . The USA provides 31m meals a day, equiv to 0 . 5m in NZ . As Cicero says, a lot of the blame should go to the 'system' . The main difference between the two groups of kids is that one group is decile 10, the other group decile 1 . We should blame the kids for being 'wrong decile', not for having bad parents . Many of the world's problems would go away if we could increase the incomes of the poor . Unfortunately the driving economic forces today are to reduce the incomes of the poor even further . If we make them suffer enough, they will snap out of it . Yeah right |
BBCmicro (15761) | ||
| 1301790 | 2012-09-19 01:06:00 | No Chills, I would be the last to say something like that. I realise feeding them at school is a bandaid solution. The deepest issue here is the cumulative effects of several generations of less than optimum parenting. I can offer little in the way of solutions to that, it is a massive problem both here and in quite a few other countries. Feeding the next generation, and trying to teach them to be better at parenting than their parents, how to do it? The soft approach is unlikely to change much, but will the hard approach work better? Only time will tell. In the mean-time, feed the kids, we as a nation have the food. |
KarameaDave (15222) | ||
| 1301791 | 2012-09-19 02:55:00 | Well, I personally disagree with the feeding the kids....Bandaid solutions dont work, and the issue will only get worse if we react after the fact...What is the point of the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. Trouble is as KD said above, several generations of entitlement people and its just growing. Seems to me, many people think its okay to have kids without preparing for lost income as in dual to single or even income protection. Ever heard the saying, cruel to be kind? I think if we are to do the feed the kids in schools, the parent should have the cost deducted from their benefit or WFF payment. It is not right to produce sprogs and expect the govt or taxpayer to pick up the tab period. |
SolMiester (139) | ||
| 1301792 | 2012-09-19 03:01:00 | Many of the world's problems would go away if we could increase the incomes of the poor. Unfortunately the driving economic forces today are to reduce the incomes of the poor even further. Yeap i agree more money for the poor will not work, as inflation will take remove any money you give them. I think supplying food to the schools is the only answer. |
Gobe1 (6290) | ||
| 1301793 | 2012-09-19 03:11:00 | Yeah pretty much, it's neglect, bad parenting, abuse, whatever you want to call it. Either way it's the parents fault, not the kids, but the parents should have sought help if they weren't managing financially. It's not like it isn't there and available to them (And I'm not talking about hand-outs of free money, but more life-skills and budgeting assistance). It may not be easy, but its there. The problem is in the majority of cases there is more "important" things the parents spend money on (read: Sky TV, smokes, booze), although that's not the case all the time. I'm still of the opinion that if you are neglecting and abusing your children by not feeding them, they should be taken from you. Plain and simple. There are enough people in this country who want to adopt (We're potentially about to legalize same-sex marriages so there's gonna be a whole lotta them lookin for kids to add to the number of available homes) and on top of that it's going to create additional jobs in terms of CYFS, programme management and the likes. It's a win / win situation. Parents clean up their act, take budgeting courses, start showing they've fixed their financial situation (Doesn't have to be rich, but enough to provide food, which is arguably the most basic requirement to life, much more-so of a human right than same-sex marriage is) and then the kids can go back to the parents Parents fail to clean up their act? Kids stay away as long as it takes... |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1301794 | 2012-09-19 03:16:00 | Yeah pretty much, it's neglect, bad parenting, abuse, whatever you want to call it. Either way it's the parents fault, not the kids, but the parents should have sought help if they weren't managing financially. It's not like it isn't there and available to them (And I'm not talking about hand-outs of free money, but more life-skills and budgeting assistance). It may not be easy, but its there. The problem is in the majority of cases there is more "important" things the parents spend money on (read: Sky TV, smokes, booze), although that's not the case all the time. I'm still of the opinion that if you are neglecting and abusing your children by not feeding them, they should be taken from you. Plain and simple. There are enough people in this country who want to adopt (We're potentially about to legalize same-sex marriages so there's gonna be a whole lotta them lookin for kids to add to the number of available homes) and on top of that it's going to create additional jobs in terms of CYFS, programme management and the likes. It's a win / win situation. Parents clean up their act, take budgeting courses, start showing they've fixed their financial situation (Doesn't have to be rich, but enough to provide food, which is arguably the most basic requirement to life, much more-so of a human right than same-sex marriage is) and then the kids can go back to the parents Parents fail to clean up their act? Kids stay away as long as it takes... I agree with this, if parents cant look after their sprogs, lets send them to someone who can...although I dont agree with sending them to same sex couples, but if my arm was twisted, Id rather fags than Black Power or social dropouts.... |
SolMiester (139) | ||
| 1301795 | 2012-09-19 03:58:00 | As Pink Floyd said "Money get back, I'm all right Jack Keep your hands off my stack" How terribly sad this country has become . . . As an older person I can remember when people actually cared, it's sad to note what we were and see what we are now . For Gods sake these kids need help NOW! Are you prepared to reap the rewards for the seeds that are being sown? This country is full of self righteous sad ***** who will soon have their hands out if they were hungry . Trouble is there is so much GREED at the top and nothing is 'TRICKLING' down to those who actually do the producing . |
ruup (1827) | ||
| 1301796 | 2012-09-19 04:06:00 | As Pink Floyd said "Money get back, I'm all right Jack Keep your hands off my stack" How terribly sad this country has become...As an older person I can remember when people actually cared, it's sad to note what we were and see what we are now. For Gods sake these kids need help NOW! Are you prepared to reap the rewards for the seeds that are being sown? This country is full of self righteous sad ***** who will soon have their hands out if they were hungry. Trouble is there is so much GREED at the top and nothing is 'TRICKLING' down to those who actually do the producing. Two things 1) The long-term solution needs to be implemented in tandem with a short-term solution (Temporary hand-outs for 18-24 months while enough work is done to whip the shitty families into line) 2) What does greed have to do with anything? That's completely twisting the fact that it is *purely* the parents to blame for not feeding their children. From the CYFS website: "All kids need the basics of life - like food, warmth, shelter and clothing..." It's the first thing that's mentioned under "The basics of life". If a parent can't even provide that, then I dunno what on earth we even have CYFS for. All the excuses in the world can't make up for the fact that it is 100% the parents responsibility to feed the children, or seek help to ensure their child is fed. There is no grey area there, it doesn't matter if you're unemployed, physically or mentally disabled or impaired, your kids health is the first and foremost under "basics of life" that you as the parent are responsible to provide. If you can't, then CYFS should be involved. Hell the kid doesn't have to go to a strangers home, sometimes even an aunt or uncles may be enough, but clearly they shouldn't stay in that environment! @SolMiester Blunt, but I know what you mean ;) |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1301797 | 2012-09-19 04:44:00 | From the CYFS website: "All kids need the basics of life - like food, warmth, shelter and clothing..." From the kids point of view "playstation, xbox, cell phone,..." not decile 1 schools?? you say, have a look. |
Gobe1 (6290) | ||
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