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| Thread ID: 29912 | 2003-02-05 22:47:00 | Tracing internet users | quest123456 (3102) | Press F1 |
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| 118668 | 2003-02-05 22:47:00 | I have place a post on a disscusion board that I sould not have. The editor of the site said that he has obtained my information from my internet provider and that he will send a bill to myprovider which they will then pass the bill on to me. He seems to have obtained the correct provider that I am with. Are people able to do this and if so will my provider get a bill? |
quest123456 (3102) | ||
| 118669 | 2003-02-05 23:01:00 | Sure you can be traced. That's how they catch people dealing in 'unsuitable material' that you read about in the paper. As for sending you a bill seems a bit odd. What was the expense incurred or is this a fine? | mark c (247) | ||
| 118670 | 2003-02-05 23:57:00 | The following is what the editor said. This comment, the IP address, the time of posting, and a bill for $110 AUD will be sent to Ihug, who will inturn send it to the postee. It also says that he will post my address, phone number etc. |
quest123456 (3102) | ||
| 118671 | 2003-02-06 00:21:00 | what is that u are charged for?? what is the person charging u for?? need to know b4 help can be given. is it made up things... or is it things u have consumed or such?? |
rayonline (2134) | ||
| 118672 | 2003-02-06 00:25:00 | > The following is what the editor said. > This comment, the IP address, the time of posting, > and a bill for $110 AUD will be sent to Ihug, who > will inturn send it to the postee. IHug would be unable to charge you for a service they did not provide or that you did not agree to so tell them to go jump the lake. > It also says that he will post my address, phone > number etc. If he got these from your ISP then you could probably sue them for giving out your information. If they do post your information you could sue them as well. Sounds like a hoax trying to get you to send them over some money. Just ignore them and if IHug do try and recoup the charge then take them through the small claims courts. You would win. |
Big John (551) | ||
| 118673 | 2003-02-06 00:28:00 | Everytime you connect to the internet, you do so with a unique identity - your 'ip' number - (check out whatismyip (http://www.whatismyip.com) ). These ip numbers are allocated by your isp, and logged as to who uses what number and when. So it is an easy task to track down. Out of curiosity, why does a discussion board charge for making comments, and was there an indication that you would be billed? How about posting the url, so we can check it out? |
wuppo (41) | ||
| 118674 | 2003-02-06 00:39:00 | Ok, At this stage I now know that the only thing that this guy could trace was a bunch of numbers right? With this buch of numbers he could go to Ihug, who would have the details of my account but due to the Privacy Act Ihug would not be able to pass on my details, correct? If howerver he passed on a bill (for, in his opinion, an unsuitable comment on his dissusion board) to Ihug they would be unable to send it to me, correct? How does he or anyone obtain this number from another internet user, and from this what information can they obtain? |
quest123456 (3102) | ||
| 118675 | 2003-02-06 00:52:00 | Every site you visit, your ip number is used to identify you - so the site contents can be sent to the correct person. It is very simple for sites to log the visitors, and with the ip number trace back to to the provider. Try entering your ip number into the search at: whois (www.apnic.net). It is then up to the ISP to identify the individual user. I would think the guy who threatens the bill is all wind. I doubt Ihug would be interested in becomming involved - if they are, there are plenty more ISPs to change to :) |
wuppo (41) | ||
| 118676 | 2003-02-06 01:03:00 | You are right in that this person has a bunch of numbers. Part of this group of numbers eg:-202.105.36.01 will relate to country or area and then isp provider. Because the isp, in this case iHug keep records, part of that remaining group of numbers will relate to you personally but only iHug will have access to that information. You have the privacy act in New Zealand so if iHug was to reveal your details to this other party they would most likely be in breach of the act. Only time a isp would reveal your details to another party would be with a court order or warrant. What iHug does might depend on what this other party tells them or what sort of small print is in your contract with iHug. I would be surprised if iHug would send you a bill but if the complaint from the other party was such that you could be in breach of your terms and conditions then iHug could kiss you goodbye. Of course any complaint should be backed up with proof of your alleged wrong doing. |
Gordon. (2217) | ||
| 118677 | 2003-02-06 01:05:00 | Really, there's no way you can be charged for an alleged service/activity you didn't agree to be charged for. Was it an explicit condition of entry to the site that you could be charged? Seems like an Aussie site anyweay. Whether IHUG wants to pay them anything seems unlikely, but sometimes sites and ISP's and etc need to keep on good terms with each other. But without knowing the details .... Seems even more improbable that IHUG could pass on any charge to you, unless agin that is part of your contarct with them Just because someone knows your IP address, name, physical address or anything else doesn't mean they are entitled to charge you money. You could probably safely tell them to go jump ... but again it depends on the specific nature of any contracts or agreements you may have entered into. |
rugila (214) | ||
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