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| Thread ID: 126901 | 2012-09-24 05:01:00 | Rich v Poor..National Standards | Terry Porritt (14) | PC World Chat |
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| 1303043 | 2012-09-24 23:38:00 | Pctek seems sure there is no correlation between low socioeconomic status and academic abilty, others seem convinced poor achievement in the 3 Rs is due to lack of food. Interestingly then, we UK wartime children should have been the dumbest generation as our wartime food ration allowances were pretty meagre to say the least, and our staple diet seemed to consist of bread and dripping, or toast and dripping. That was what most children took to school if they were not having school dinners. We did have orange juice and cod liver oil supplements as well as a daily 1/3 pint of milk at school. We were actually rated as being the healthiest generation. Its a question of, do you want to deal in fact or fiction. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 1303044 | 2012-09-25 00:26:00 | No surprises to me , when I drive past low decile schools where the kids are walking to and from school you can see the bad behaviour, so academically they would be bad as well I guess. | prefect (6291) | ||
| 1303045 | 2012-09-25 00:32:00 | Well, I see this from another angle. There was an old saying that went “If the Pupil hasn’t Learned, then the Teacher hasn’t Taught”. And the way I see it the vast majority of Teachers couldn’t pass a 1950’s School Certificate exam and shouldn’t be teaching. Ok for dishing out marks for picking up rubbish, but not much use for anything else unless it’s Political Correctness. Indeed, to demonstrate how stupid some are, a few years ago the Deputy Principal of a local school asked if I’d be prepared to help. :eek: How bad is that? :eek: Anyway, I told her that I was bound not to show enough respect for some children’s Self Esteem and Cultural Background. Plus, I’d probably offend a few Parents just for good measure. ;) And, if you want further proof it’s the system, take a look at the rubbish that comes out of the Useless Information Faculty at Victoria University. :groan: |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1303046 | 2012-09-25 02:42:00 | Terry, you can't be serious to suggest that revolting concentated orange juice had any nutritious value , it tasted like sweetened engine oil, I reckon it was the Woolton Pie that saved us all us poms !!!! Pctek seems sure there is no correlation between low socioeconomic status and academic abilty, others seem convinced poor achievement in the 3 Rs is due to lack of food. Interestingly then, we UK wartime children should have been the dumbest generation as our wartime food ration allowances were pretty meagre to say the least, and our staple diet seemed to consist of bread and dripping, or toast and dripping. That was what most children took to school if they were not having school dinners. We did have orange juice and cod liver oil supplements as well as a daily 1/3 pint of milk at school. We were actually rated as being the healthiest generation. |
bonzo29 (2348) | ||
| 1303047 | 2012-09-25 02:46:00 | Subject: Fwd: NEW HIGH SCHOOL PRINCIPAL IN COLORADO e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." THIS IS OUTSTANDING. A NEW HIGH SCHOOL PRINCIPAL high school principal Dennis Prager of Colorado A Speech Every American High School Principal Should Give. By Dennis Prager To the students and faculty of our high school: I am your new principal, and honored to be so. There is no greater calling than to teach young people. I would like to apprise you of some important changes coming to our school. I am making these changes because I am convinced that most of the ideas that have dominated public education in America have worked against you, against your teachers and against our country. First, this school shall no longer honor race or ethnicity. I could not care less if your racial makeup is black, brown, red, yellow or white. I could not care less if your origins are African, Latin American, Asian or European, or if your ancestors arrived here on the Mayflower or on slave ships. The only identity I care about, the only one this school will recognize, is your individual identity -- your character, your scholarship, your humanity. And the only national identity this school will care about is American. This is an American public school, and American public schools were created to make better Americans. If you wish to affirm an ethnic, racial or religious identity through school, you will have to go elsewhere. We will end all ethnicity, race and non-American nationality-based celebrations. They undermine the motto of America, one of its three central values -- e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." And this school will be guided by America's values. This includes all after-school clubs. I will not authorize clubs that divide students based on any identities. This includes race, language, religion, sexual orientation or whatever else may become in vogue in a society divided by political correctness. Your clubs will be based on interests and passions, not blood, ethnic, racial or other physically defined ties. Those clubs just cultivate narcissism -- an unhealthy preoccupation with the self -- while the purpose of education is to get you to think beyond yourself. So we will have clubs that transport you to the wonders and glories of art, music, astronomy, languages you do not already speak, carpentry and more. If the only extracurricular activities you can imagine being interested in are those based on ethnic, racial or sexual identity, that means that little outside of yourself really interests you. Second, I am uninterested in whether English is your native language. My only interest in terms of language is that you leave this school speaking and writing English as fluently as possible. The English language has united America's citizens for over 200 years, and it will unite us at this school. It is one of the indispensable reasons this country of immigrants has always come to be one country. And if you leave this school without excellent English language skills, I would be remiss in my duty to ensure that you will be prepared to successfully compete in the American job market. We will learn other languages here -- it is deplorable that most Americans only speak English --but if you want classes taught in your native language rather than in English, this is not your school. Third, because I regard learning as a sacred endeavor, everything in this school will reflect learning's elevated status. This means, among other things, that you and your teachers will dress accordingly. Many people in our society dress more formally for Hollywood events than for church or school. These people have their priorities backward. Therefore, there will be a formal dress code at this school. Fourth, no obscene language will be tolerated anywhere on this school's property - whether in class, in the hallways or at athletic events. If you can't speak without using the f-word, you can't speak. By obscene language I mean the words banned by the Federal Communications Commission, plus epithets such as "Nigger," even when used by one black student to address another black, or "*****," even when addressed by a girl to a girlfriend. It is my intent that by the time you leave this school, you will be among the few your age to instinctively distinguish between the elevated and the degraded, the holy and the obscene. Fifth, we will end all self-esteem programs. In this school, self-esteem will be attained in only one way - the way people attained it until decided otherwise a generation ago -- by earning it. One immediate consequence is that there will be one valedictorian, not eight. Sixth, and last, I am re-orienting the school toward academics and away from politics and propaganda. No more time will be devoted to scaring you about smoking and caffeine, or terrifying you about sexual harassment or global warming. No more semesters will be devoted to condom wearing and teaching you to regard sexual relations as primarily a health issue. There will be no more attempts to convince you that you are a victim because you are not white, or not male, or not heterosexual or not Christian. We will have failed if any one of you graduates this school and does not consider him or herself inordinately fortunate - to be alive and to be an American. Now, please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of our country. As many of you do not know the words, your teachers will hand them out to you. Life is an opportunity, benefit from it. Life is beauty, admire it. Life is life, fight for it! |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 1303048 | 2012-09-25 02:50:00 | Pctek seems sure there is no correlation between low socioeconomic status and academic abilty, others seem convinced poor achievement in the 3 Rs is due to lack of food. Interestingly then, we UK wartime children should have been the dumbest generation as our wartime food ration allowances were pretty meagre to say the least, and our staple diet seemed to consist of bread and dripping, or toast and dripping. . Nope. Plenty of poor kids have done well at school, some have gone on to do extremely well career wise. Just being poor isn't a cause. Nor is eating bread and dripping. Bread and dripping was pretty essential then, when kids moved around a lot......my grandfather lived on it, my dad grew up on the stuff. Eaten a bit myself. It's 1)attitude 2)encouragement and after school help/activities by parents 3)how smart and motivated they are in the first place |
pctek (84) | ||
| 1303049 | 2012-09-25 03:26:00 | Subject: Fwd: NEW HIGH SCHOOL PRINCIPAL IN COLORADO . snopes . com/politics/soapbox/principal . asp" target="_blank">www . snopes . com e pluribus Unum, "from many, one . " THIS IS OUTSTANDING . A NEW HIGH SCHOOL PRINCIPAL high school principal Dennis Prager of Colorado A Speech Every American High School Principal Should Give . By Dennis Prager To the students and faculty of our high school: I am your new principal, and honored to be so . There is no greater calling than to teach young people . I would like to apprise you of some important changes coming to our school . I am making these changes because I am convinced that most of the ideas that have dominated public education in America have worked against you, against your teachers and against our country . First, this school shall no longer honor race or ethnicity . I could not care less if your racial makeup is black, brown, red, yellow or white . I could not care less if your origins are African, Latin American, Asian or European, or if your ancestors arrived here on the Mayflower or on slave ships . The only identity I care about, the only one this school will recognize, is your individual identity -- your character, your scholarship, your humanity . And the only national identity this school will care about is American . This is an American public school, and American public schools were created to make better Americans . If you wish to affirm an ethnic, racial or religious identity through school, you will have to go elsewhere . We will end all ethnicity, race and non-American nationality-based celebrations . They undermine the motto of America, one of its three central values -- e pluribus Unum, "from many, one . " And this school will be guided by America's values . This includes all after-school clubs . I will not authorize clubs that divide students based on any identities . This includes race, language, religion, sexual orientation or whatever else may become in vogue in a society divided by political correctness . Your clubs will be based on interests and passions, not blood, ethnic, racial or other physically defined ties . Those clubs just cultivate narcissism -- an unhealthy preoccupation with the self -- while the purpose of education is to get you to think beyond yourself . So we will have clubs that transport you to the wonders and glories of art, music, astronomy, languages you do not already speak, carpentry and more . If the only extracurricular activities you can imagine being interested in are those based on ethnic, racial or sexual identity, that means that little outside of yourself really interests you . Second, I am uninterested in whether English is your native language . My only interest in terms of language is that you leave this school speaking and writing English as fluently as possible . The English language has united America's citizens for over 200 years, and it will unite us at this school . It is one of the indispensable reasons this country of immigrants has always come to be one country . And if you leave this school without excellent English language skills, I would be remiss in my duty to ensure that you will be prepared to successfully compete in the American job market . We will learn other languages here -- it is deplorable that most Americans only speak English --but if you want classes taught in your native language rather than in English, this is not your school . Third, because I regard learning as a sacred endeavor, everything in this school will reflect learning's elevated status . This means, among other things, that you and your teachers will dress accordingly . Many people in our society dress more formally for Hollywood events than for church or school . These people have their priorities backward . Therefore, there will be a formal dress code at this school . Fourth, no obscene language will be tolerated anywhere on this school's property - whether in class, in the hallways or at athletic events . If you can't speak without using the f-word, you can't speak . By obscene language I mean the words banned by the Federal Communications Commission, plus epithets such as "Nigger," even when used by one black student to address another black, or "*****," even when addressed by a girl to a girlfriend . It is my intent that by the time you leave this school, you will be among the few your age to instinctively distinguish between the elevated and the degraded, the holy and the obscene . Fifth, we will end all self-esteem programs . In this school, self-esteem will be attained in only one way - the way people attained it until decided otherwise a generation ago -- by earning it . One immediate consequence is that there will be one valedictorian, not eight . Sixth, and last, I am re-orienting the school toward academics and away from politics and propaganda . No more time will be devoted to scaring you about smoking and caffeine, or terrifying you about sexual harassment or global warming . No more semesters will be devoted to condom wearing and teaching you to regard sexual relations as primarily a health issue . There will be no more attempts to convince you that you are a victim because you are not white, or not male, or not heterosexual or not Christian . We will have failed if any one of you graduates this school and does not consider him or herself inordinately fortunate - to be alive and to be an American . Now, please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of our country . As many of you do not know the words, your teachers will hand them out to you . Life is an opportunity, benefit from it . Life is beauty, admire it . Life is life, fight for it! . snopes . com/politics/soapbox/principal . asp" target="_blank">www . snopes . com |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 1303050 | 2012-09-25 04:18:00 | www.snopes.com It sounded good to me. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 1303051 | 2012-09-25 04:20:00 | I saw a mirror once that had "Whose behavior do your kids reflect" written on it. | Gobe1 (6290) | ||
| 1303052 | 2012-09-25 04:27:00 | I saw a mirror once that had "Whose behavior do your kids reflect" written on it. I lke it! |
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