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Thread ID: 126995	2012-09-28 21:48:00	99 Laws Rolling Back Gun Restrictions In US States - But Not All	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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1303957	2012-09-28 21:48:00	Gets kinda interesting that some states have made it easier to CCW (carry concealed weapons) and even opened up the old restrictions to once more allow some criminals to own them. The reason for opening the laws to some convicted violators of laws is that many of them were victims of crimes and had openly retaliated and been found guilty of unnecessary use of force to protect themselves or their families and property. "Since 2009, the NRA and its allies in state capitols have pushed through 99 laws making guns easier to own, easier to carry in public—eight states now even allow them in bars—and harder for the government to track. More than two-thirds of the laws were passed by Republican-controlled legislatures, though often with bipartisan support. (Note: Click on the colored states (LINK) (www.motherjones.com) for details on additional laws; info on a few particularly noteworthy ones follows below the map." Some particularly noteworthy laws: Bullets and booze: In Missouri, law-abiding citizens can carry a gun while intoxicated and even fire it if "acting in self-defense." Child-safety lock off: In Kansas, permit holders can carry concealed weapons inside K-12 schools and at school-sponsored activities. Short arm of the law: In Utah, a person under felony indictment can buy a gun, and a person charged with a violent crime may be able to retain a concealed weapon permit. Nebraskans who've pled guilty to a violent crime can get a permit to carry a gun. Sweet Jesus! In Louisiana, permit holders can carry concealed weapons inside houses of worship. Without a trace: Virginia not only repealed a law requiring handgun vendors to submit sales records, but the state also ordered the destruction of all such previous records.	SurferJoe46 (51)
1303958	2012-09-28 22:11:00	The constitution gave you guys the right to bear arms (Best right a man can have) but politicians have watered down the rights over the years. I guess some states want to get the laws back to how the founding fathers wanted them. Once politicians start tinkering you may end up with restrictions that make the right useless. I just wish we had your gun laws even the gun laws of the most pansy NE states and the death penalty.	prefect (6291)
1303959	2012-09-28 22:48:00	All I can say is... crikey!	Greg (193)
1303960	2012-09-29 02:06:00	www.stuff.co.nz Only in America ...	SP8's (9836)
1303961	2012-09-29 02:51:00	The constitution gave you guys the right to bear arms (Best right a man can have) The modern interpretation is courtesy of the NRA's lobbying and manipulation. The right to bear arms was never a private right until the 20th Century.	PaulD (232)
1303962	2012-09-29 05:35:00	The armed militia - a civilian branch of ready-and-willing soldiers without military mustered credentials, has always been the whole idea behind that part of the 2nd amendment . If one were to think about it - they (the militia) would have to have their weapons at least equal to the military, whom Jefferson, Adams, Franklin and others didn't not trust would be so altruistic if their leaders told them to kill the general population . Since the writers of the constitution were greatly afraid of another king or someone declaring themselves as monarch/leader for life, this was the check-n-balance necessary to keep a despot from grabbing control of the country like had happened in Merrie Olde England . To keep that from happening, the peasants in the US would have to be armed to the teeth so they could put down any juntas or military take over of their elected government . The writers knew this was necessary and logical . No - the 'modern' uninformed and knee-jerk interpretation of the 2nd is from Hollyweirdoos and socialists/communists who would like to be able to just walk in and take over . Then there's the 'free press' too . (hack/cough/vomit) The specter of a full-on armed resistance is what's kept that dictator idea at bay - for the nonce . Ugly rumor time: The current street talk is the absolutely-pending revolution that will happen if Obama gets re-elected . He's alienated the retired and ex-military veterans - the very people he should NOT have insulted so with his apologist tactics worldwide . It isn't a good idea to aggravate people who were taught to destroy things and eliminate the enemy, whomever they feel that person might be . Just saying . But I suspect something very ugly to happen in the next few months; this place is ripe for something big .	SurferJoe46 (51)
1303963	2012-09-29 05:54:00	The modern interpretation is courtesy of the NRA's lobbying and manipulation. The right to bear arms was never a private right until the 20th Century. en.wikipedia.org PaulD, has the above been revoked ?, thought the Americans' had the right from the 1790's !. Lurking. Ps. wished we had that right here sometimes. lurks.	Lurking (218)
1303964	2012-09-29 06:28:00	Since the English are no longer the prevailing race and is now so polyglotic, then expect unpleasantness.	Cicero (40)
1303965	2012-09-29 07:28:00	en.wikipedia.org PaulD, has the above been revoked ?, thought the Americans' had the right from the 1790's !. Lurking. Ps. wished we had that right here sometimes. lurks. "District of Columbia v. Heller, was a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects an individual's right to possess a firearm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, in federal enclaves. It was the first Supreme Court case in United States history to decide whether the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms." This was a majority decision 5 to 4. The dissenting opinion "The Stevens dissent seems to rest on four main points of disagreement: that the Founders would have made the individual right aspect of the Second Amendment express if that was what was intended; that the "militia" preamble and exact phrase "to keep and bear arms" demands the conclusion that the Second Amendment touches on state militia service only;" Apparently the NRA didn't support this case going forward because they thought they could lose.	PaulD (232)
1303966	2012-09-29 08:47:00	Ps. wished we had that right here sometimes. lurks. We do actually ... you have to get a Firearms Licence and then get it endorsed for Military Style Semi-auto's, pistols (after being a member of a pistol club for 2 years .. but still not allowed to carry unless it is to & from a registered pistol club & must shoot at least 6 times a year at club), ther's also other endorsements for collectors, importers, etc. Rifle & shotgun FAL's are easy to get ... you just have to go to a class run by the Mountain Safety Council and pass a test, then get interviewd by the local constabulary to say you're a fit and proper person to own a firearm. The MSC courses are an in depth safety course on the correct use of firearms given by "experts" in firearm safety .... The "experts" then go out and shoot a fellow hunter in broad daylight from a distance of 16 meters. POP	SP8's (9836)
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