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| Thread ID: 30552 | 2003-02-23 04:46:00 | ARGH, my rant - stop flogging AMD | DangerousDave (697) | Press F1 |
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| 123319 | 2003-02-23 04:46:00 | Ok, I have become very, very annoyed with people who have started hassling AMD chips . Especially computer shops, I was just talking to my mate who just got a new P4 2ghz computer from Green PC Company, after going away from athlon after they told him that 90% come back for repairs . Hmmmm 90% that doesn't sound right, more like Green PC wants the higher profits from the more expensive chip . A quick check of pricespy shows that the Pentium 4 2ghz processor is about twice the price of the equivalent Athlon XP 2000+ . Green PC Company isn't the only company who does this sort of thing, when looking for my new 'beast' i got similar comments about Athlon's . Saying that they often arrive dead, or burn or are always crashing . I admit, Athlons do have some problems, there is an abundence of cheap AMD mobos, etc etc, which will lead to problems, but get a decent mobo and decent parts and you won't have any more problems than a Pentium . Chances are, the athlon motherboards are way cheaper and have a whole lot more features . Also the fans are a pain, due to hotter cores, but the new thoroughbred cores are a lot cooler than the palimino, but thats something i'm sure willing to accept for a cheaper and probably faster machine . So for once will people stop flogging off AMD, please look at the facts, and stop taking it out on AMD . I have an Athlon XP 2000+ and for the past 4 months had it crash only 2 or 3 times, and i'm sure thats not the fault of AMD's, but rather microsofts . I often try to say you can't compare something you havn't used, oh and i have used a pentium and strangly enough it runs just like an athlon . Thats my 2 and a half cents - David |
DangerousDave (697) | ||
| 123320 | 2003-02-23 04:54:00 | I was told that AMD crash all the time and are crap, often catch fire and dont run code right. that was two years ago and i have been running AMD since that time. I have never had a problem and i have had no fires or code that wont run on AMD I think that some of the sales people re-tell crap they hear and others are just trying to make a bigger sale. A large number of sales people will beleave anything you tell them becasue they know nothing. this is not the problem as such, the problem is that they re-tell everything they hear and think it is true. |
robsonde (120) | ||
| 123321 | 2003-02-23 04:59:00 | umm, shut up. No one is allowed to flogg anything if their IQ is below 100 ok. and about the AMD, P4 Debate, it's as simple as AMD being more economical and efficient, but the P4 chips being faster, not to mention personal preference. There is no clear "better" chip. As for those shops, you're right, a more expensive chip = more markup = more money, hey, you'd do the same if you were struggling. Especially with the AMD Hammer series coming out, I don't think anyone should be flogging them, as for the heatsink problems on the Athlons, well the Hammer will be ready. Then again, we are yet to see Intel's new set too, but be sure it's coming, By half way through this year we'll be over 3.0 ghz easily. |
DistantCube (3037) | ||
| 123322 | 2003-02-23 05:07:00 | i think its more of a problem with motherboards rather than cpu. it funny how the manafactures always seem to buy the cheap brands of mobo. no wonder they have problems. here they are basing the whole pc on some cheapo board and they actually expect to run well ?:| the big plus with intel is cooling, stock coling is ok and is EASY. AMD is not so easy and manafactures love to cut corners. aslo a big plus to intel is intel chipsets are nice and stable. >thats something i'm sure willing to accept for a cheaper and probably faster machine thats the crux of it....people want AMD because its cheap hence all the other cheapo parts to go with it. they get what they pay for. |
tweak'e (174) | ||
| 123323 | 2003-02-23 05:17:00 | > thats the crux of it....people want AMD because its > cheap hence all the other cheapo parts to go with it. > they get what they pay for. Hehe... pay peanuts, and expect a monkey of a computer. :^O Sorry for the humour... :8} ... Normal transmission to resume now ;) Lo. |
Lohsing (219) | ||
| 123324 | 2003-02-23 05:22:00 | argh! ahh! I'm now stormed with a million different comments . Have just looked at a AMD Athlon XP system, but now the problem faces . . . . are the parts good enough? I don't need problems . . . . I don't have time and room for even ONE minor problem . *cough! you know what I mean!* Below is what I've looked at: Asustek A7N266-VM AMD Athlon XP 1700+ AMD Athlon CPU fan 256MB DDR 266Mhz RAM PC2100 Seagate BarracudaIV 40GB 7200rpm Panasonic 1 . 44MB 3 . 55" Samsung 52x CDROM Hyena (Foxconn) Nokia shaped case AOC 17" 7Vlr-Slk (Silver/Black) 0 . 25dpi Microsoft MultiMedia Keyboard Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer Comep SP6270 280W spkr Is it a good enough combination? Should I go for it or wait (after nearly three months already!) . . . . I could either get it now, OR get it at the end of year . . . . I should survive! Any comments? Price is round about $1025 incl . GST |
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| 123325 | 2003-02-23 05:23:00 | Or Athlon XP 1800+.... ;-) | ~~~~~ s y ~~~~~ (2054) | ||
| 123326 | 2003-02-23 05:24:00 | It all comes down to sales pitch and who they support I suppose. Got a email from a lady a few days ago, I have not got it in front of me to refer to but basically she went to a well known store in Christchurch and told sales basically what she was looking for. Now, she had already got a price and spec's on a generic made one and was only interested in seeing what price etc could be given by the stores. She did not let on that information. Also she has a few clue's in regards to computers and spec's. (her name is not Susan) Her use of the computer is many and varied but graphic's work does play a big part of her computer work. The store put together a pitch which she nit picked apart but basically she was told, she had to have a p4 for graphic's work if she wanted a PC over a Mac, they spec'ed a monitor which was somewhat dearer, there reply to that was that this one had a high res screen especially for graphic's work, the printer was the same and the reply was the same, this was a graphic's printer, same applied to the video card, then there was the windows disk, now she is fully aware of recovery disks but the impression given was this was a full version disk.....could have been but few and far between now days. Then she asked why she should buy from them rather than generic model. It appears that generic computers are often made from either second hand parts or grey market imports, they do not last long, the ram and other parts would usually not be compatible and the software would most likley not be genuine and if it was it would only be demo version. And the price difference..................just over $2000 between the two systems. Guess which one she is buying. |
Gordon. (2217) | ||
| 123327 | 2003-02-23 05:26:00 | Bet your bottom dollar that by the end of the year, your PC will look like a slug next to what is coming out... If you're willing to wait, save your pennies for something decent... like a hyperthreading P4 system :) Asus board is fine. Only thing I might look to change would be the stock cooler... something like a ThermalTake Volcano 7+ (www.computerchaos.net) would be good :) hehehe... I've got one of those attached to my P4 and the temps are incredibly low now! Lo. |
Lohsing (219) | ||
| 123328 | 2003-02-23 05:29:00 | So.... um, a P4 now? How confusing..... *decides to use the eni-mini-myni-mo styles to check whether p4 or amd is better, whether to buy now or later* |
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