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| Thread ID: 30552 | 2003-02-23 04:46:00 | ARGH, my rant - stop flogging AMD | DangerousDave (697) | Press F1 |
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| 123329 | 2003-02-23 05:30:00 | > It all comes down to sales pitch and who they support > I suppose. > > Got a email from a lady a few days ago, I have not > got it in front of me to refer to but basically she > went to a well known store in Christchurch and told > sales basically what she was looking for. > > Now, she had already got a price and spec's on a > generic made one and was only interested in seeing > what price etc could be given by the stores. > She did not let on that information. > > Also she has a few clue's in regards to computers and > spec's. (her name is not Susan) > > Her use of the computer is many and varied but > graphic's work does play a big part of her computer > work. > > The store put together a pitch which she nit picked > apart but basically she was told, she had to have a > p4 for graphic's work if she wanted a PC over a Mac, > they spec'ed a monitor which was somewhat dearer, > there reply to that was that this one had a high res > screen especially for graphic's work, the printer was > the same and the reply was the same, this was a > graphic's printer, same applied to the video card, > then there was the windows disk, now she is fully > aware of recovery disks but the impression given was > this was a full version disk.....could have been but > few and far between now days. > > Then she asked why she should buy from them rather > than generic model. It appears that generic computers > are often made from either second hand parts or grey > market imports, they do not last long, the ram and > other parts would usually not be compatible and the > software would most likley not be genuine and if it > was it would only be demo version. > > And the price difference..................just over > $2000 between the two systems. > > Guess which one she is buying. While that might be fine for a company wanting to make a buck or two out of her, I can't see how there would be a $2,000 difference between the 2 systems. You haven't even mentioned what the components were, etc! Anyway... it wouldn't be difficult to re-price on a system keeping the hard drives the same, monitor, OS, etc etc etc. Then you will see the true difference in CPU cost and would be comparing apples with apples. Lo. |
Lohsing (219) | ||
| 123330 | 2003-02-23 05:32:00 | > So.... um, a P4 now? > > How confusing..... *decides to use the > eni-mini-myni-mo styles to check whether p4 or amd is > better, whether to buy now or later* Depends what you want. A PC for now, then go the AMD, a PC for the future, go the P4. You've said you're willing to wait a year, so why not? I've had a P4 2.0Ghz system with 256 DDR333 and 40gig HD priced at $1500 incl monitor, keyboard, etc. No OS though. Pretty decent for that kind of system. Lo. |
Lohsing (219) | ||
| 123331 | 2003-02-23 06:22:00 | > > While that might be fine for a company wanting to > make a buck or two out of her, I can't see how there > would be a $2,000 difference between the 2 systems. > You haven't even mentioned what the components were, > etc! > > Anyway... it wouldn't be difficult to re-price on a > system keeping the hard drives the same, monitor, OS, > etc etc etc. Then you will see the true difference in > CPU cost and would be comparing apples with apples. > > Lo. Like I said I don't have her email in front of me, it's on my work computer else where. Also she did not I understand go in to the store and specifically price item for item against what she already had been spec'ed for but rather told them what she had in mind and let them spec something so it would be very easy to get a big price difference between the two when comparing apples with pears rather than apples with apples Purpose of my message was more to show that some sales staff will push a certain angle such as "high res monitor especially for graphic's work" or a certain printer or video card being more suitable for a certain task when they think they are dealing with someone who might beleive everything they are told along with generic computers being made with second hand or incompatible parts and software maybe not being genuine. To be fair, if she had compared apples with apples the price would have been closer. |
Gordon. (2217) | ||
| 123332 | 2003-02-23 06:25:00 | It doesn't matter when you buy. If you wait around for the next latest and greatest you will never buy anything as there is always something better around the corner. Go for it. The only thing that might be worth getting would be another case fan. I have not had any problems with AMD cpu's. As someone said it probably has more to do with crappy mother boards and other parts. |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 123333 | 2003-02-23 07:20:00 | whoa, a lot of replies! | DangerousDave (697) | ||
| 123334 | 2003-02-23 08:00:00 | Ive got an AMD 1700+, with an ElitGroup mobo (Which is supposedly a cheapo one, didnt cost much so i guess it prolly is). Now, Ive had it running for about 5 days straight now, played a lot of games, done a lot of surfing, reconfigured my network.. shifted tons of files, done some MP3 encoding of hour-long files.... The games are pretty intense, running 1200x1024 in UT 2K3, and also 1024x768 in Day of Defeat... Its done a lot of work my little AMD processor and it hasnt crashed at al!!! Seeing as the mobo (I'll call it cheap for now just for the critics) is cheap, if the CPU was cheap, then surely it would have crashed by now. Just checked my "Lan connected for.... XXX time" and it says that Ive been on for just over 5 days, a few hours.... now, All the work my processor has done with games and encoding files (several hour-long WAV files)... and it hasnt crashed a single proggy on a supposedly cheapo mobo, then I dont think that my AMD 1700+ or my GF4MX 440 are cheap or budget! |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 123335 | 2003-02-23 08:04:00 | I fully agree with you... also could depend also on OS you are running as well... my Win2K beastie (P4 2.4Ghz, 1gig DDR333, Asus P4S533) are running very well and under similar conditions to chilling's. Either way, it's really down to whether you want to drive a Honda or a Toyota I guess. Some ppl just prefer one over the other. That said, P4's nowadays have good overclocking abilities, and generally run cooler as well. But then, I guess i'll always be about the "bling bling" and want the latest and greatest.... *sigh* ;) Lo. |
Lohsing (219) | ||
| 123336 | 2003-02-23 08:15:00 | Oh yeah, on 2K I had it up for about 9 dayz, only had to reboot for a network config change :( Otherwise, its same :-) Im only using XP @ the mo. coz Im trying some programming on it and stuff... Plus Ive not used it much and alwayshave to skip the threads here.. now I can sorta watch them and see what I can get from them, while understanding the OS more :-) */me hopes that makes sense* |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 123337 | 2003-02-23 08:17:00 | >Seeing as the mobo (I'll call it cheap for now just for the critics) is cheap, if the CPU was cheap, then surely it would have crashed by now 5 days is nothing. long term relaiblity is a bit different. it also comes down to the setup, drivers used etc. don't forget some cheapo brands have come to be topend brands. however useing knockoff brands means you risk more. pay your $$ take your chances. |
tweak'e (174) | ||
| 123338 | 2003-02-23 08:24:00 | mm... its nothing if I wasnt using it, only it was almost constantly in use. Drivers are doze standard, or on the driver CD I got with the mobo. nVidia's are the latest Detonators. I was doing some pretty heavy stuff, stuff that my family's Celeron 933Mhz would shudder at the thought of! ;-) |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
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