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Thread ID: 30932 2003-03-07 05:50:00 PressF1 advertising Baldy (26) Press F1
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126267 2003-03-09 08:53:00 > I know the ads are required to run this forum so I do
> make a point of having a look at them fairly
> regularly -- after all, I might miss something good
> if I didn't! :D

And I agree....

But its like seeing an ad on TV - Buy this wonder product now and receive $10 off!!!

Its there tomorrow though... So why bother, you've seen it, and made up your mind about the product..


I still do check the ads. Without it, Pf1 I doubt would be possible...

As for PF1 connection, I think it's more than capable! 		Chilling_Silence (9)
126268 2003-03-09 09:00:00 One of the things adding to the time is that it is a dynamic page. Each time you load up the page you *should* be getting a fresh version straight from the server.

If someone posts at 12:00:00 then you load the page at 12:00:01 you should get that persons post.

The old forums that were here worked differently. They only updated the pages every 15mins. So things would worker in that instance.... until the traffic became too much for it. 		-=JM=- (16)
126269 2003-03-09 10:00:00 My dear Baldy,one would never question you,one was questioning these comments......
My post was in response to a PC based question by the person that started this thread - the if's of supporting a multi-national publisher by enduring (and paying for the privledge) their ads, was not my intention to debate.

I think people are somewhat in gaga land if they believe this forum is "supported" by its pages' advertising. A few hundred kb's of server space and a miniscule amount of bandwidth, together probably costing a few cents a month, is all that this forum would cost to host. The database development may have cost a few hours of time, but that's about it. Do you actually know the ludicrous cost of advertising on this site? I do, and it's just money for jam for IDG. 		Thomas (1820)
126270 2003-03-09 10:22:00 > Yes.
>
>
> My post was in response to a PC based question by
> the person that started this thread - the if's of
> supporting a multi-national publisher by enduring
> (and paying for the privledge) their ads, was not my
> intention to debate.
>
> I think people are somewhat in gaga land if they
> believe this forum is "supported" by its pages'
> advertising. A few hundred kb's of server space and
> a miniscule amount of bandwidth, together probably
> costing a few cents a month, is all that this forum
> would cost to host. The database development may
> have cost a few hours of time, but that's about it.
> Do you actually know the ludicrous cost of
> advertising on this site? I do, and it's just money
> for jam for IDG.

:^O:^O:^O no offence, but it sounds like YOU are in gaga land mate, do you have ANY idea how much bandwidth these dynamically driven sites use, take ChatF1 for example, last time I looked we had around 130-140 registered users, and that site chews through about 8 GIG's a month. Now just add a couple of 0's to that figure and you have what PF1 would go through, remember this server is connected to a 10Mbps pipe for a reason! 		nz_liam (845)
126271 2003-03-09 10:34:00 Well I know the stats for some other forums. One reasonably busy NZ based one does 70-80GB of traffic per month. That's EVERY month. Has done more than that ~100GB on months with a a few heavily picced threads which got international linkage.

It does ad up, it's more than just a couple of cents. 		-=JM=- (16)
126272 2003-03-09 10:40:00 > Well I know the stats for some other forums. One
> reasonably busy NZ based one does 70-80GB of traffic
> per month. That's EVERY month. Has done more than
> that ~100GB on months with a a few heavily picced
> threads which got international linkage.
>
> It does ad up, it's more than just a couple of cents.

:D I think I know the forum your talking about :D

And don't forget that PF1 is hosted in NZ not in the US where data is cheap... 		nz_liam (845)
126273 2003-03-09 13:49:00 >
> :^O:^O:^O no offence, but it sounds like YOU are in
> gaga land mate, do you have ANY idea how much
> bandwidth these dynamically driven sites use, take
> ChatF1 for example, last time I looked we had around
> 130-140 registered users, and that site chews through
> about 8 GIG's a month. Now just add a couple of 0's
> to that figure and you have what PF1 would go
> through, remember this server is connected to a
> 10Mbps pipe for a reason!

No offence mate, but it sounds like bull to me; If you're going thru 8 gigs a month on your chat server, which I struggle to believe, then something's radically wrong. I ran a chat site myself, and it was going thru no more than 19KB per user per session, which averaged 2 hours each.

The only significant bandwidth this site uses is probably because of the damned ad graphics! :^O 		Greg S (201)
126274 2003-03-09 18:49:00 But seriously Greg, I don't want to argue, I just want to say that yall may wanna involve baldy more in this convo so he gets his answer. Kibito (623)
126275 2003-03-09 20:09:00 > No offence mate, but it sounds like bull to me; If
> you're going thru 8 gigs a month on your chat server,
> which I struggle to believe, then something's
> radically wrong. I ran a chat site myself, and it
> was going thru no more than 19KB per user per
> session, which averaged 2 hours each.

It really depends on the type of chat setup, Javascript clients (etc) will use a hell of a lot less bandwidth then say clients based on dynamically driven pages (php).


Cheers

Liam 		nz_liam (845)
126276 2003-03-09 21:10:00 Greg,
It costs $$$$$$$ for the maintanance of the server for PF1.. What kind of $/hour do you think the techs who struggled to fix the log in problems etc are on??
Perhaps you think that PF1 recovers from its problematic moments because of someones fairy Godmother comes along and says "All better now"? Then there are other costs as well (surprise!!!!). PF1 is not some 2 bit 5 page static html site! It all costs $$$$$

Sheesh

.Clueless 		Clueless (181)
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