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| 133118 | 2003-04-05 09:15:00 | > To tell you the truth I wouldn't actually worry too > much about palladium. I do. It may mean that I won't be able to run the code that *I* want. I will be dictated to by corporations that I don't support. > If palladium is made, you've got many many hackers > who are going to try and stop the software from > reporting home etc and allowing people to spy on what > you are doing. Look how long it took hackers (in the good sense of the word) to make unsigned software run on the Xbox. They still can't boot anything like Linux properly. They did get Linux to boot however without needing a modchip - by exploiting a bug in 007 for Xbox and booting from a hacked keyring USB drive. > Heck, MSoft's Windows Product Activation was cracked > within hours of being released. I'm not too convinced > they can bring out anything unstoppable. :) Don't underestimate MS - they aren't stupid. How many times have they managed to get people to pay for Office and Windows even though there are subtle changes between each version? Cracking things like this will only make them more determined to make it more "uncrackable". > Also with a very carefully configured external > firewall/router that doesn't have anything to do with > the computer software or cpu itself, it wouldn't be > that difficult to stop any bad packets being > sent/recieved to MSoft/Gov goons. ;) How long before MS buys Cisco or strikes a deal with them? (Forget Linksys - they are now owned by Cisco - unless). One way this may not work out from MS, is that most of the motherboard manufacturers are in China or Taiwan. Now both those countries are very aware that MS may be gathering information for the US Government - I'm not making this up. Basically, they don't like being dictated to by a US company. So they may not be willing to get sucked into this whole Palladium thing. There will still be a market for non-palladium motherboards, but they aren't gonna be cheap and its likely that you'll be viewed as a cracker if you use something (like, you've got something to hide, or you cause damage to computer systems or similar, etc) Regardless of this, we need to make sure that Palladium *does not* succeed. |
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| 133119 | 2003-04-05 11:33:00 | >There will still be a market for non-palladium motherboards, but they aren't gonna be cheap and its likely that you'll be viewed as a cracker if you use something (like, you've got something to hide, or you cause damage to computer systems or similar, etc) >Regardless of this, we need to make sure that Palladium *does not* succeed. I agree, but how exactly?? ;) |
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| 133120 | 2003-04-05 11:45:00 | > > There will still be a market for non-palladium > motherboards, but they aren't gonna be cheap and its > likely that you'll be viewed as a cracker if you use > something (like, you've got something to hide, or you > cause damage to computer systems or similar, etc) > > Regardless of this, we need to make sure that > Palladium *does not* succeed. > > I agree, but how exactly?? ;) By raising awareness of Palladium and its impact on our lives. Also, by supporting efforts to stop Palladium from becoming a reality (Such as the EFF). |
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| 133121 | 2003-04-05 14:21:00 | > > If palladium is made, you've got many many hackers > > who are going to try and stop the software from > > reporting home etc and allowing people to spy on what > > you are doing. > Look how long it took hackers (in the good sense of the word) to make unsigned software run on the Xbox. They still can't boot anything like Linux properly. They did get Linux to boot however without needing a modchip - by exploiting a bug in 007 for Xbox and booting from a hacked keyring USB drive. Yah the hackers would be working on more important things. Xbox is not important and only a minute percentage of people take notice of it. |
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| 133122 | 2003-04-05 23:34:00 | > > > If palladium is made, you've got many many > hackers > > > who are going to try and stop the software from > > > reporting home etc and allowing people to spy on > what > > > you are doing. > > > Look how long it took hackers (in the good sense of > the word) to make unsigned software run on the Xbox. > They still can't boot anything like Linux properly. > They did get Linux to boot however without needing a > modchip - by exploiting a bug in 007 for Xbox and > booting from a hacked keyring USB drive. > > Yah the hackers would be working on more important > things. Xbox is not important and only a minute > percentage of people take notice of it. While that is true, it is unlikely that such a bug would be found on a Palladium system due to the fact that the OS is the only program that can be booted - unlike the Xbox where games are booted (increasing the chance of finding a bug in them). MS used 2048bit keys from the Xbox and it was estimated that to use a distributed key cracking system, with the same amount of people who were using Seti at its peak, would take something like 5 or 6 years to crack - by that time, it would be likely that the keys would be changed for a new Microsoft OS. So although someone might figure out the keys used, whats stopping MS changing the keys and/or the Palladium system in new motherboards? |
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