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Thread ID: 31925 2003-04-04 09:19:00 Xtra are full of.. Greg S (201) Press F1
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133376 2003-04-05 00:07:00 Which basically means that if you design something spectacular, and send it's details by email to someone, Xtra can make full use of it as if they owned it - even selling the rights to it. Their email servers form part of their 'system'. Greg S (201)
133377 2003-04-05 00:13:00 I think the line

(including posting messages, uploading files, importing data or engaging in any other form of communication)

would suggest that it is anything that moves through their network becomes their property. So if you have designed an amazing new device or product it wouldn't be a good idea to e-mail it through their network.

The question I would like answered would be is xtra going to let your contacts know that the contents of any communication can be used by xtra?

Best defence would be encrypt encrypt encrypt :)
Gorela (901)
133378 2003-04-05 00:14:00 Man - I needa get a job at Xtra... I could be a millionaie overnight if I get access to their mail servers ;-)

Bummer im hoping for a job in Heldesk/Support... ;-)
Chilling_Silence (9)
133379 2003-04-05 00:27:00 Drop me a line if you're actually looking for a helpdesk job - I can give you a bit of info. greg @ mis etc Greg S (201)
133380 2003-04-05 00:28:00 You do realize that this thread is practically stupid right?
The Xtra terms have been like that since October Last year when for some really random reason I decided to go through Xtra's site and read for myself what my parents had agreed to. I had no problem with it.
Do you have a Hotmail Account? because the same clause is in there as well, worded differently but still the same - the same goes for all MSN Services that you use your .NET passport for
Do you have a Yahoo account? (whether it be Geocities and/or Groups) as the last time I read their license and usage terms another clause like the one above was in there.

I very much doubt Xtra would go through their mail servers (notice the plural - there is more than one of them) and read tonnes of different emails just to steal your top secret idea. That would be in violation of the Privacy Act (unless this IT Communications Bill get's passed in Parliament)
Maybe you should read EULA's and licenses a bit more?

Has any one actually asked them to justify their terms? Or are we all just going to say "Hey that's stupid" and not ask why they did that?



CyberChuck
cyberchuck (173)
133381 2003-04-05 00:29:00 > Best defence would be encrypt encrypt encrypt :)

Excellent idea.
Greg S (201)
133382 2003-04-05 00:42:00 > You do realize that this thread is practically stupid
> right?

Not at all. I stated that I only now noticed this particular clause - I didn't say it wasn't there all the time.

There have been instances in the not distant past where Xtra have suddenly started to enforce it's terms, without warning, eg pop3 access and running servers.
Greg S (201)
133383 2003-04-05 02:02:00 You will probably find that its there to cover their butt. I can't see Xtra stealing anyones ideas. And there is no court that would allow them to anyway. Baldy (26)
133384 2003-04-05 02:06:00 It would probably be a waste of time taking such a thing to court, after all, the user has entered into & accepted a contract by agreeing to the terms & conditions when signing up.
Unwittingly or not.
Stumped Badly (348)
133385 2003-04-05 02:17:00 Also, there would be more chance of a cracker/hacker intercepting a email than Xtra taking advantage (due to what you agreed to on the EULA)

I think Xtra is a bit more professional than that
Baldy (26)
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