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Thread ID: 32387 2003-04-17 04:41:00 advice RE: my new web page robsonde (120) Press F1
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136469 2003-04-19 04:19:00 You could always subscribe to a free third-party forum, which you can manage yourself, so as to block or delete any unsavoury postings. Greg S (201)
136470 2003-04-19 05:16:00 I have just uploaded a newer version of the page with one rant, a mail to form, no borders on the frames and a few new mistakes for you all to find :-) robsonde (120)
136471 2003-04-19 07:58:00 wow, a load of replies, might as well add mine two cents,

about the site, it looks really simple and newbie-ish, not a nice site to look at ...
*watchs robsonde counter with 'but its content that matters' *
but its all good, i bet youve put a lot of time and work into this, so its all 'base work'.
you guys have already talked about whether or not to use frames, framesets are the 'usual' for people learning html (well, imo), and i think a 'better' alternative design wise could be an iframe, technically still a frame, but its inline, supported just as well as frame-sets are across the broswer range, and can look pretty cool (still wont impress the frame-haters though :_|), heres a small code sample to get an idea of how it would for your site,


<table width="760">
<tr>
<td colspan="2">title goes here</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="30%">list links here</td>
<td>
<iframe id="main" width="100%" height="100%" src="home.htm"></iframe>
</td>
</tr>
</table>

thats just a basic code structure, so not to hand it to you on a plate, but ill explain a little about the iframe layout above.
first off, its all laid out in a table, row 1 has one column, row 2 has two columns.


+-------------------------------------------+
| BANNER | < row 1
+-----------+-------------------------------+
| NAV | IFRAME |
| | |
| | |
| | | < row 2
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | |
+-----------+-------------------------------+

i dont want to get into how a table is structured with html, etc, sorry, but it would get too indepth, but anyways, how this iframe system would work goes like this.
each link in the NAV would have a target attribute, much like the way a frameset works, and you would target the iframe.


20-04-2003 (20042003.htm)

21-04-2003 (21042003.htm)
...

each time you wanted to make a new 'entry', you would make a new file (say '22042003.htm'), and add the link to the index.htm file (the one with the iframe on it),


22-04-2003 (22042003.htm)


with this method, your only working with one primary file, making new 'entry' files, and adding a new link to the index page along the way,

after all this, it kinda makes you appreciate what goes on behind the scenes of things like this, are you familiar with blogging? theres a few, which ill say advanced, systems which fully automate all of this for you, i wouldnt expect you to understand whats ACTUALLY happening behind the scenes, but heres a few links that might be worth a look, concerning the purpose of your site

http://movabletype.com/ - cgi based journalling system, really popular, one of the best.
http://somery.danwa.net - a php based blogging system (was just off the top of my head, cant say how good it is).

this is probably just a passing interest for you, but i got really interested in it early last year, and im fully addicted, personally i found it easier to learn via a good, solid web design/programming community and its forum, they were real helpful, if i could force some ideas (ideals?) on you, they would be

- code to xhtml standards (www.w3schools.com) (at least transitional)
- learn about css (www.w3schools.com)
- NEVER use a font tag *shudder*

grtz sal.
tga 		sal (67)
136472 2003-04-19 10:04:00 iframe looks good......

what is the advantage of iframe over the frames system i am using now??

and yes i know the site is not much to look at yet but it will come togeather over time, i hope :-) 		robsonde (120)
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