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| Thread ID: 127733 | 2012-11-10 05:37:00 | Things can sneak up. Islam | Cicero (40) | PC World Chat |
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| 1311528 | 2012-11-13 04:42:00 | You're wrong. The case was brought by Soile Lautsi, who is not Muslim. See en.wikipedia.org She argued that displaying the crucifix was against the secular principles of education in Italy. Nothing to do with Muslims, and it's disingenuous of you to say it is. And, in fact, the decision did not stand: crucifixes can be displayed without issue, and without them being considered any form of "active" religiosity. I am sorry Zara, I would not believe everything I read on wikipedia. Lautsi vs Italy was a consequence of this (I am not even going to translate it because I am disenginuous and don't know the history of my country): La questione del crocifisso nelle scuole fu vivacemente dibattuta nel 2003 in seguito a un'iniziativa di Adel Smith. Nato ad Alessandria d'Egitto nel 1960, ha fondato nel 2001 l'associazione "Unione Musulmani d'Italia", Lautsi took it from there. Initially Italy was condemned to pay a sum of money in reparation for the offense this created to non cristians by the Starsboug court and after an appeal it was found that the original decision did not take in consideration many other factors. All these court cases cost the tax payers and the very fact something like this can happen must make one think. I could provide hundreds of official documents on this case but you'd need to do the translations ;) Regards |
Sanco (683) | ||
| 1311529 | 2012-11-13 04:46:00 | I am sorry Zara, I would not believe everything I read on wikipedia. Lautsi vs Italy was a consequence of this (I am not even going to translate it because I am disenginuous and don't know the history of my country): La questione del crocifisso nelle scuole fu vivacemente dibattuta nel 2003 in seguito a un'iniziativa di Adel Smith. Nato ad Alessandria d'Egitto nel 1960, ha fondato nel 2001 l'associazione "Unione Musulmani d'Italia", Lautsi took it from there. Initially Italy was condemned to pay a sum of money in reparation for the offense this created to non cristians by the Starsboug court and after an appeal it was found that the original decision did not take in consideration many other factors. All these court cases cost the tax payers and the very fact something like this can happen must make one think. I could provide hundreds of official documents on this case but you'd need to do the translations ;) Regards Lautsi was overturned in 2010. I don't need the translations, thanks to an Italian friend who is atheist, and was watching the case with interest. But thank you for the offer. I'm sorry if the wikipedia was offensive, and I didn't mean to teach you about your own country, but it's a handy source for that case, and the current situation for those who aren't familiar. |
Zara Baxter (16260) | ||
| 1311530 | 2012-11-13 04:51:00 | So you would have had a dispassionate view on this case from your italian friend I hope. I am too skeptical of religions and, like I said, I could not care less if the crucifix or a panettone was displayed in the classrooms, mine was just an objective opinion on a case that should make one think. That's all. | Sanco (683) | ||
| 1311531 | 2012-11-13 05:51:00 | So you would have had a dispassionate view on this case from your italian friend I hope. I am too skeptical of religions and, like I said, I could not care less if the crucifix or a panettone was displayed in the classrooms, mine was just an objective opinion on a case that should make one think. That's all. Your thinking seems sound to me Sanc. |
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