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| Thread ID: 127733 | 2012-11-10 05:37:00 | Things can sneak up. Islam | Cicero (40) | PC World Chat |
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| 1311498 | 2012-11-12 19:59:00 | Higher? ? More in the invisible category, but with an aeons long dearth of evidence methinks. ;) (I don't know if that includes horoscopes, lotto schemes and weather forecasts, but it could.) |
R2x1 (4628) | ||
| 1311499 | 2012-11-12 20:05:00 | Higher ? ? More in the invisible category, but with an aeons long dearth of evidence methinks. ;) (I don't know if that includes horoscopes, lotto schemes and weather forecasts, but it could.) Can we add unicorns, fairies and leprechauns ? |
Zara Baxter (16260) | ||
| 1311500 | 2012-11-12 20:25:00 | In my opinion, there's just one. Those that believe in a higher being or beings. If you were a Muslim and said that, you would quickly learn what apostasy means, and the consequence............. www.youtube.com |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 1311501 | 2012-11-12 20:36:00 | I have better things to do than than believing in Gods like drinking alcohol and racing seagulls. | prefect (6291) | ||
| 1311502 | 2012-11-12 20:39:00 | If you were a Muslim and said that, you would quickly learn what apostasy means, and the consequence............. www.youtube.com If I was Muslim, I wouldn't say it, though, would I? :) I had a Mormon friend who was excommunicated and ostracised for saying something similar to her pastor (or whatever they are termed). The Quran says nothing about the punishment for apostasy, though several Islamic thinkers have different opinions. Eh. |
Zara Baxter (16260) | ||
| 1311503 | 2012-11-12 21:03:00 | I think the spirit of the OP is fairly accurate even if the facts are not true. Hard to see a workable solution though. I'm not a religious person myself and it's easy to point at religions as the source of a great deal of the problems in the world, past and present, but I think the truth of it is just more about the darker side of human nature. If we didn't have religion, or had never had it, would all the horror in the world dissappear or would people just find new reasons to act like monsters? |
dugimodo (138) | ||
| 1311504 | 2012-11-12 21:06:00 | I guess that some people will believe any BS they want to :( | Zippity (58) | ||
| 1311505 | 2012-11-12 21:11:00 | I'm not a religious person myself and it's easy to point at religions as the source of a great deal of the problems in the world, past and present, but I think the truth of it is just more about the darker side of human nature. If we didn't have religion, or had never had it, would all the horror in the world dissappear or would people just find new reasons to act like monsters? Yeah. This position is about where I find myself: some humans like to misbehave, and will latch onto whatever justifies it, whatever is at hand. |
Zara Baxter (16260) | ||
| 1311506 | 2012-11-12 22:51:00 | If I was Muslim, I wouldn't say it, though, would I? :) I had a Mormon friend who was excommunicated and ostracised for saying something similar to her pastor (or whatever they are termed). The Quran says nothing about the punishment for apostasy, though several Islamic thinkers have different opinions. Eh. Seems that might be debatable. It is left to the Muslims to define their doctrines. But once defined we should understand them for they affect our lives. Note then that for some 1400 years the defined sentence for apostasy was execution. Few Muslim scholars have ever challenged this definition; the overwhelming majority of Islamic scholars supported it. Later in this article as you read the objections of various modern Muslims arguing against the death sentence bear in mind that it is they who are deviating from the judgment established by the depth and breadth of Islamic jurisprudence. Of course the best arguments for the death sentence are made by Muslim scholars themselves. Therefore, I will draw from their works, or from people who quote them. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 1311507 | 2012-11-12 23:08:00 | It is left to the Muslims to define their doctrines. But once defined we should understand them for they affect our lives. Note then that for some 1400 years the defined sentence for apostasy was execution. Few Muslim scholars have ever challenged this definition; the overwhelming majority of Islamic scholars supported it. Later in this article as you read the objections of various modern Muslims arguing against the death sentence bear in mind that it is they who are deviating from the judgment established by the depth and breadth of Islamic jurisprudence. Of course the best arguments for the death sentence are made by Muslim scholars themselves. Therefore, I will draw from their works, or from people who quote them. "The best arguments", if we are to take the position of those of the Islamic faith, comes first from the Quran, then from the Sunnah, not the other way around. The Sunnah contains a Hadith that recommends the death penalty for male apostates, and life imprisonment for female apostates. The Quran does not. Arguments seem to go both ways, from my reading, and it would depend on the ruling sect and to the nation as to whether the death penalty was upheld. As far as I know, Saudi Arabia and Iran allow (and sometimes commit) executions for Apostasy. I consider that barbaric. Then again, some US states reserve the death penalty, and I consider that barbaric, too. "later in this article?" who are you quoting? Could you provide your source? If you're not stating your own position, I'd prefer to know whose position I am addressing. ...and after all that, nearly lost my [ppoint, which is that none of this really invalidates the idea that it's humans that are the problem, not the religion. Islam could be a religion of peace, if it followed the Quran exclusively. Some scholars and some regions do. |
Zara Baxter (16260) | ||
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