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1338969	2013-04-30 09:03:00	The way I use the start menu is press start button on kbThere's a Start button on the keyboard? :confused: Anyway, I can't stand Win8's interface, so I must fall into or between one of Wainuitech's user categories... I've only used it a few times briefly to help a friend sort a few basic problems so haven't had time to get to know it. It's simply not intuitive enough without any period of immersion in it.	Greg (193)
1338970	2013-04-30 09:07:00	The Windows key Greg ;)	pcuser42 (130)
1338971	2013-04-30 09:58:00	The biggest stuff-up Microsoft have made with this new interface is lack of instructions on how to use it. Sure theres plenty written on the internet on "how to do things" but right from the start they should have a bloody great in your face Icon :stare: on the start menu saying something like " how to use windows 8 - click or Tap here" - Then a few basic instructions on usage appear. 50-windows-8-tips-tricks-and-secrets (www.techradar.com) When ever I've dealt with a person new to W8 I spend roughly 1/2 hour taking them through the basic's, like how to use the start menu, how to change the tiles to what and where you want, add/remove them, how to create shortcuts on the desktop, how to get tiles on the start menu for the programs they want, how to get to the control panel (if they wanted to) show how to get to Programs and features for uninstalling etc along with various other tasks. 99% once finished usually make some sort of comment along the lines of " what's all the Fuss about - ITS EASY " ? I learnt 90 % of what I know about windows 8 before it went RTM, -- so can anyone else, there's Beta's, Release candidates etc all freely available before the final version comes out, download tehm, install - have a play / look around-so by the time it goes live you already know just about everything you would need. Some features are not available by default till its goes RTM. Windows 8.1 public Beta is rumoured to be out in June this year, you can get the "leaked" builds from torrent sites now, but personally I'll wait for the official ones. If you are in the computer repair business you need to be up with the play and the newest OS features other wise you will be left behind and look stupid when someone asks for help. Some of the upgrade/ Features: While the full picture of Blue updates remains generally unclear, the enhancements of Windows 8.1 over Windows 8 have already been published: •New split-screen App options. •Improved modern UI PC settings. •New tile sizes. •New search interface. •Enhanced SkyDrive. •Internet Explorer 11. •Swipe up from Start Screen to access list of apps. •More personalization options. •Picture frame mode. •New gestures. •New App: Calculator. •New App: Alarm. •New App: Sound Recorder. •New App: Movie Moments(video editing application).	wainuitech (129)
1338972	2013-04-30 11:06:00	I haven't spent that much time on windows 8 myself for several reasons. 1. initial reaction was I don't like it and it's frustrating 2. Just haven't gotten around to migrating all my software and games onto it 3. windows 7 isn't doing anything wrong... I know I'm perfectly capable of learning how to use it and no doubt after a while would find ways around the things that annoy me but mostly I just don't like the interface much. For one thing I like to use the mouse, I'm not much into keyboard shortcuts. Windows 8 seems bound and determined to force me to learn the shortcuts I've never bothered with and to make me type things when I'd rather just click. here's an example of default behaviour I don't like, I know it could be easily fixed by changing file associations but I'm talking about default behaviour here; I navigate to a folder with a lot of video files so I can start organizing them and deleting some I don't want I double click a file to see what it is, windows launches the Xbox player app - does a decent job and I like the interface. I stop playback and go to switch back to the folder.... now I know I could alt tab but like I said I like to use the mouse and there's just no obvious way to get back to the folder I have open. I fumble for a while, move the mouse to the corner, click the start button, click the desktop tile, and I'm back - clumsy and awkward. I'm sure there's an easy way somewhere and will get around to finding it, but it's far from intuitive. Why the hell did MS decide we aren't allowed to close apps like we can desktop programs, what do they have against mouse users? In windows 7 doing the same thing I can just click the tab on the task bar and go straight back to the folder I was in - I see no way windows 8 can beat a single mouse click with it's fancy new GUI. Reading about the upcoming changes to windows 8 it does seem like they are addressing most of the things I don't like so maybe when it releases I'll finally make the change. I have noticed quite a few little improvements that I do like even with the current version but I'm just not a fan of the way apps and the start screen function and can see myself sticking mainly to desktop programs.	dugimodo (138)
1338973	2013-04-30 11:12:00	To switch between Metro apps and the desktop, click the top left corner. Moving your mouse down from there reveals the Metro taskbar with all running apps. You can close Metro apps, just grab the top edge and drag it all the way to the bottom - a quick flick once you get used to it ;)	pcuser42 (130)
1338974	2013-04-30 11:14:00	It seems to me to be rather pointless writing heaps about something that you have not used much. I think W8 will parallel the initial release of Ubuntu Unity. WHen it first came out the reviewers wrote heaps about how useless the interface was. Then at some point they decided to give it some serious use! Many of the same reviewers are now saying how good it is. From the perspective of a Unity user, I don't think that W8 is that bad. From a PowerShell user's point of view, it has many advantages.	johnd (85)
1338975	2013-04-30 11:33:00	A few interesting points above. 1. Using the keyboard more --- NOPE, the only time I use the keyboard is to type something, with the exception of tapping the Windows key if I want the start menu, everything else is done by the mouse as per other versions of windows. 2. Ubuntu -- Interesting that comment -- I notice Ubuntu release a "new version" every 6 months - So does that mean the previous version was a total flop as well ?? Of course not, it means they add new features or refine others. I notice no one complains about the short time Ubuntu do new versions. ;) As I mentioned before, W8 has a lot of features many don't even know exist, Seems I'm always finding something new -- all part of the "fun and learning experience" :)	wainuitech (129)
1338976	2013-04-30 12:28:00	Why do Microsoft go backwards in features and functionality? In Vista\7, they removed GIF animation from Windows picture viewer, and changed the keyboard shortcuts from sensible things like Ctrl+A to idiotic finger-breaking things like Ctrl+Alt+0 Then in Windows 8, the Metro picture viewer won't even let you scroll through multiple pictures in a folder. IE's toolbars have become less and less customisable for every version...	Agent_24 (57)
1338977	2013-04-30 20:59:00	changed the keyboard shortcuts from sensible things like Ctrl+A to idiotic finger-breaking things like Ctrl+Alt+0 Eh ??????????? What keyboard are you using ?? Ctrl +A = Select all, and still is :confused: In Word, Ctrl+Alt+0 switches your view from "Normal" view to "Outline" view.	wainuitech (129)
1338978	2013-04-30 21:10:00	To switch between Metro apps and the desktop, click the top left corner. Moving your mouse down from there reveals the Metro taskbar with all running apps. You can close Metro apps, just grab the top edge and drag it all the way to the bottom - a quick flick once you get used to it ;) Not as quick or easy as clicking a button though ;) To either switch between apps or close a windows. It seems to me to be rather pointless writing heaps about something that you have not used much. I think W8 will parallel the initial release of Ubuntu Unity. WHen it first came out the reviewers wrote heaps about how useless the interface was. Then at some point they decided to give it some serious use! Many of the same reviewers are now saying how good it is. From the perspective of a Unity user, I don't think that W8 is that bad. From a PowerShell user's point of view, it has many advantages. Thing with unity, is that it doesn't fundamentally change how you use the computer. Sure, if takes away some customisation, adds a few features, take away a few, but there's still a bar with the calender etc on it, and one with shortcuts to programs and open programs listed on it. And a button which opens up a way to search all programs. 2. Ubuntu -- Interesting that comment -- I notice Ubuntu release a "new version" every 6 months - So does that mean the previous version was a total flop as well ?? Of course not, it means they add new features or refine others. I notice no one complains about the short time Ubuntu do new versions. ;) With Ubuntu, its probably best to look at the LTS releases, which are released every two years, and are supported for five years. :) What is nice about Ubuntu/Unity (Don't know which one this applies to) is a long press of the super key brings up a list of keyboard shortcuts. IMO Microsoft should introduce something like this.	Nick G (16709)
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