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Thread ID: 34758	2003-06-23 05:08:00	"Hacking" Hotmail Accounts	somebody (208)	Press F1

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154400	2003-06-24 01:54:00	When most people say they can "hack" Hotmail accounts, most of the time all they then do is run a brute force application to start at the beggining and attempt to guess the password. As most brute force hackers are dictionary based, if the account has a non-standard password, then its gonna waste a whole lot of time with no results. At the end of the day, why would you WANT to gain access to someone elses hotmail account? I would be extremely surprised if anyone keeps confidential emails stored on the hotmail server.... Iain	Iain Walmsley (3372)
154401	2003-06-24 09:49:00	It may be "generally accepted" yes, but that does not mean it is correct. It is well known in the Open Source community that a "cracker" is according to Eric Raymond - " One who breaks security on a system" while a hacker is "A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary." Remember, you crack a safe, you don't hack it :)	segfault (655)
154402	2003-06-24 10:51:00	More or less the same as the difference between GE and GM. GM is genetic modification which I am from my parents whereas GE is genetic engineering which is the actual manipulation of the genes involved.	mikebartnz (21)
154403	2003-06-24 10:54:00	But you did not disclose how you were using it. Hacking is working with code where as Cracking is trying to break code.	mikebartnz (21)
154404	2003-06-25 05:44:00	I accept that "cracker" is the more appropriate definition as defined by the open-source community, due to the circumstances in which the term "hacker" is used to describe certain activities. HOWEVER... people in the open source community who "enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary." only make up a very small portion of all the computer users in the world. The generally accepted term by a majority(not all) of computer users, and a majority of non-computer users is "hacking". There are various arguements from both sides of what definition is correct, what word is correct, and in what context they should be used. I am simply using a commonly used, accepted, and understanded term. Note: I do not intend to start a flame war, or be the at the receiving end of one.	somebody (208)
154405	2003-06-25 06:29:00	I'd just like to point out that when SCO unveiled their whole Linux intellectual property violation fiasco, the response from some childish Linux users were attempts to hack (or should that be crack?) SCO's website, and presumably post a fake notice of withdrawl for the one billion dollar lawsuit. Linux is, after all, based on Unix, and is more hacker/cracker friendly (what with all the tools available).	agent (30)
154406	2003-06-25 07:14:00	Hey That won't work. MSN aren't stupid, and will therefore use sessions with Hotmail to stop users doing that. Why do you think that you can't have 2 accounts logged on at the same time with IE? CyberChuck	cyberchuck (173)
154407	2003-06-25 10:01:00	>Why do you think that you can't have 2 > accounts logged on at the same time with IE? Sorry but you can do that, I did it before, copy of weeks back ( don’t ask me how I did it but it worked).	stu140103 (137)
154408	2003-06-25 13:15:00	I would be very intrigued to know why Linux is more cracker friendly as it is Windows that seems to suffer from this problem more than linux. More FUD	mikebartnz (21)
154409	2003-06-25 20:55:00	If anyone is really interested the best secure free web base e-mail is http://www.hushmail.com/ Only catch is their free service only has a 2 Mb mail limit. All comms with Hushmail are done with 128bit encryption As for Linux been more hacker friendly it has a lot to do with the software available, if your interested search on the web you'll soon see a whole lot of stuff that can only run on linux.	Marshell (3757)
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