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Thread ID: 128286	2012-12-03 20:07:00	The Treaty. Do we need to be reminded?	Cicero (40)	PC World Chat

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1317642	2012-12-11 20:34:00	They're ? Hmmmmmm, and here's me thinking this is about money being spent on a constitutional review on a specific political party ? But if it's not. Here's a story about $4 m of taxpayers money a year being spent on laundry. www.scoop.co.nz B.M. - Globe has a point that this is about treaty and constitution, and you're edging close to Maori bashing with "us" "them" talk. Please don't. Globe, Jen told you to avoid the thread, and you couldn't help yourself. I've told you before that if you have a problem with a thread, you report it and leave the mods to deal with it. Perhaps being forced to stay away from the forums for a day or three will help you figure that out.	Zara Baxter (16260)
1317643	2012-12-11 20:43:00	But..I have to say a stand has to be made against all the hypocrisy and the inventing and re writing of history that is rampant today. Concerning the re-writing of history, I would suggest that you go to your local library for a book called "When Two Cultures Meet" by John Robinson. He speaks of a few well known authors - James Belich included - that have been doing just that. A very good book.	Roscoe (6288)
1317644	2012-12-11 20:59:00	B.M. and you're edging close to Maori bashing with "us" "them" talk. Now you're seeing things again. Direct me to the "them and us" talk.	B.M. (505)
1317645	2012-12-11 21:21:00	Now you're seeing things again. Direct me to the "them and us" talk. B.M. Cicero is talking about constitutional change being driven by the Maori party. The news piece you pointed to refers to requests for money by a local Iwi. Saying "Plus they’re being funded by Local Government as well as Central Government." makes no sense unless you're considering all Maori as a monolithic group, or suggesting that the Iwi -is- the Maori party? One way to make sense of it, for a reader, would be to infer that by "they're" you mean all Maori, which, which I'm sure you don't want. Being more specific in your statements would really help. FWIW, A couple of edits I have made in the past to your posts is to fix exactly this sort of thing (ie changing Maori to Maori party where that was the group calling for the changes you referred to) since I'm sure you don't intend to suggest all Maori support and endorse the actions of some groups. If you'd rather I edit your post so that I can clarify your intent, i'm more than happy to. Perhaps "local council actions by Iwi are supporting the Maori Party by settling the stage for Treaty of Waitangi claims"? Hope that helps.	Zara Baxter (16260)
1317646	2012-12-11 22:22:00	At times like this I can just sit back, smile, and enjoy watching NZ sink itself deeper into a stupid pit of racial crap, all from the comfort of... Australia :)	Bozo (8540)
1317647	2012-12-11 22:43:00	Concerning the re-writing of history, I would suggest that you go to your local library for a book called "When Two Cultures Meet" by John Robinson. He speaks of a few well known authors - James Belich included - that have been doing just that. A very good book. It is the age we live in, revisionist history for the sake of revisionism. There was a BBC program with a revisionist historian about Churchill and Germany's "soft underbelly". Considering he was considerably younger than me and had not actually lived through though those times I thought he was somewhat off beam. Fortunately just a little later there was yet another BBC program covering the same topic that set the record straight. Edit: It is very difficult to know who to believe these days. Edit again: A very trivial example going back to my school days. The UK 1944 Education Act was not actually implemented until around 1947/48, yet quite a few items on Wikipedia and elsewhere refer to the changes taking place in 1944, one example being the name change of my old school.	Terry Porritt (14)
1317648	2012-12-12 00:26:00	B . M . Cicero is talking about constitutional change being driven by the Maori party . The news piece you pointed to refers to requests for money by a local Iwi . Saying "Plus they’re being funded by Local Government as well as Central Government . " makes no sense unless you're considering all Maori as a monolithic group, or suggesting that the Iwi -is- the Maori party? One way to make sense of it, for a reader, would be to infer that by "they're" you mean all Maori, which, which I'm sure you don't want . Being more specific in your statements would really help . FWIW, A couple of edits I have made in the past to your posts is to fix exactly this sort of thing (ie changing Maori to Maori party where that was the group calling for the changes you referred to) since I'm sure you don't intend to suggest all Maori support and endorse the actions of some groups . If you'd rather I edit your post so that I can clarify your intent, i'm more than happy to . Perhaps "local council actions by Iwi are supporting the Maori Party by settling the stage for Treaty of Waitangi claims"? Hope that helps . Clearly you have difficulty in comprehending what is in front of you, so it would be best if you didn’t edit my Posts to clarify my intent . The point is, (as has been pointed out many times, by many commentators) that the Treaty Settlements, Treaty Claims, and Constitutional Review etc . have no clearly defined boundaries and the focus between all of them seems infinitely variable . The proposed Constitution enshrines the Treaty along with all the claims . If you had read the link I provided you would have read: “Reon Tuanau - an iwi representative on the city council’s Tangata Whenua Committee - says the council investment is also a way for council, hapu and iwi to prepare and plan for changes coming out of the treaty settlements . He thinks it will be two to three years before the settlements come through, which gives all parties time to prepare . Mayor Stuart Crosby says he’s nervous . The council is being advised by the Office of Treaty settlements that there are going to be a number of co-governance and co-management agreements put in place at some point . ” So you see we don’t have boxes or Pears or Apples or Banana’s, we have a box of mixed fruit that is being funded by Central Government and Local Government . Given that the majority of Ratepayers are also Taxpayers, they are hit with a double whammy for which they will see zilch because it looks like The Office of Treaty Settlements is earmarked to run things . Finally, just to help you out with your confusion, Ratepayers means Maori, Pakeha, and other Ethnic Groups as does Taxpayers .	B.M. (505)
1317649	2012-12-12 00:32:00	The proposed Constitution enshrines the Treaty along with all the claims. If you had read the link I provided you would have read: [I]“Reon Tuanau - an iwi representative on the city council’s Tangata Whenua Committee - says the council investment is also a way for council, hapu and iwi to prepare and plan for changes coming out of the treaty settlements. I read the article. :) So the "they" you're referring to *is* the Maori party? If not, who? That's all I'm saying you should be clear about. Shouldn't be a problem, since you understand the detail so well. I'd appreciate you being clear about it in future to avoid confusion. Thanks!	Zara Baxter (16260)
1317650	2012-12-12 00:37:00	(and just in case it's really not clear, I *know* the answer because I read the article, but anyone who didn't wouldn't know, and I want you to make it clear in future, OK? Cicero is a great example to follow in this regard.)	Zara Baxter (16260)
1317651	2012-12-12 00:53:00	It is the age we live in, revisionist history for the sake of revisionism. There was a BBC program with a revisionist historian about Churchill and Germany's "soft underbelly". Considering he was considerably younger than me and had not actually lived through though those times I thought he was somewhat off beam. Fortunately just a little later there was yet another BBC program covering the same topic that set the record straight. Edit: It is very difficult to know who to believe these days. Edit again: A very trivial example going back to my school days. The UK 1944 Education Act was not actually implemented until around 1947/48, yet quite a few items on Wikipedia and elsewhere refer to the changes taking place in 1944, one example being the name change of my old school. Try and concentrate on the subject Terr. What was the name of your school b4 the change?	Cicero (40)
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