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159995	2003-07-16 02:33:00	Merlin. It seems my attempt at humour has offended you, I am sorry. PJ	Poppa John (284)
159996	2003-07-16 02:38:00	Robo. Have read your post & will try to answer your Qs soon. Have just had lunch & must now take my afternoon rest as dictated by Health & Maryann's orders. back when I am allowed. :D :D :D PJ	Poppa John (284)
159997	2003-07-16 04:27:00	Everybody.. To all those who coninually help this old duffer. & others, THANKYOU. Thro my long travail thro life, I have noticed that some "Things" that others find simple are not always so to someone else. Many many years ago when I was doing my City & Guilds Elect & UK National Cert (same as NZCE) I was continually beaten by trigonometry & vectors, to this very day. One of those things that no matter how hard you study it never makes any sense. A Mind block. For me, electronics in general was the same, I never could get the concept. Yet I was a very very good "Relay logic" & Gas/Elect Technician. There was no one better in Auckland till I turned 50. Now I am a silver haired, clapped out, in pain, foggy brained, medicated has been with poor memory recall. Do you think I don't find computers frustrating? How frustrating do you think it is for me, one who spent his whole electrical working life, fixing factory machinery. Yet I cannot make this computer do as "I" want? Anothr example of a Mind Block? I am not asking for Pity with this Rant. I have enough of that in me as it is. All I ask ( & usually get) is friendly, helpful advice in simple language & yes with humour thrown in. That is what PF1 is all about isn't it? So, Again, Thankyou very much for your support. A very humble Poppa John	Poppa John (284)
159998	2003-07-16 04:38:00	Don't worry about it, Poppa. There will always be a Few. Who. Take. Themselves. Very. Seriously. The factory stuff had to work. Computers don't have to. :D They are marketed. But it shouldn't be too hard to get your printer going again. What's connected to what? printer wire (USB/parallel) goes to (XP/98 box), telephone wire goes to (XP/98) box, Is there a hub?	Graham L (2)
159999	2003-07-16 04:40:00	Robo, your 6 Questions. A1 Yes. Called MSHome, 1 Sigma (shop built) XP comp, Main & 1 98se bought SH Dell comp. networked & working ok. A2, I assume so, but not by me, presumably by the set up procedure. A3. Don't know what you mean by "Subnet" A4 Have seen references T "Pinging" on PF1 but never done it nor know how. A5 Shared files on Xp are veiwed on 98, or were at least. I don't think XP can view 98. A6 Both printers, Canon i550 & Epson Stylus C20UX are at present both hard connected to the XP. Both are in working order. Soory about the rant, just sheer frustration at life. I feel better now PJ :D :D	Poppa John (284)
160000	2003-07-16 07:08:00	Hey PJ, you're OK and we will look after you . :-) Now, I am no expert at all this, you know that, but this is what I would do in this situation, just to see if it works, you know . ;-) Plug the printers into the computer/s where you want them . Turn both computers on and turn both printers on . If it has not already been done, make sure the printers have been set up with their drivers installed, if required . Turn off any firewall that you may have . Run the Win XP network setup wizard and get it to make a floppy disk to use on the Win 98 computer, just like you did last time . Afterwards don't forget to go into each printer's properties and enable printer sharing . Good luck . :-)	Susan B (19)
160001	2003-07-16 10:30:00	Susan, Have done what you said, more or less, but no go. Canon printer connected to the XP. Epson printer connected to the 98se Sigma & Dell computers networked. Sigma XP will run Canon but not Epson Dell 98 will run neither printer. Dell 98 will connect to the Internet. Dell 98 will connect to XP desktop via "Shortcut to Desktop" icon on 98 desktop. Both printers are on each computers Printer section with sharing enabled. No firewall other than the internal MS one. Had ZA but it was causing too much trouble on our network, so deleted it. Ran the XP Network Wizard, made a new copy, ran it in the 98. Re-checked printer sharings. Still no go. Tried Printer offline & online still nowt. Everything on the XP that is share enabled has a "Hand" icon by it. My next thought is to Delete all printers & start again It would be ok if when both printers were connected to the XP, that the 98 could use either one. But preferably one on each computer & print access from either comp. Will see what tomorrow brings. Poppa John	Poppa John (284)
160002	2003-07-16 15:53:00	> Dell 98 will run neither printer. > Dell 98 will connect to the Internet. > Dell 98 will connect to XP desktop via "Shortcut to Desktop" icon on 98 desktop. This would indicate to me that the computers are not on the same workgroup or something like that. Internet Access is no problem as IP Addresses aren't "bound" to workgroups and can therefore go straight through to eachother, however as host names are "bound" to workgroups then if the workgroups are different on the computers, they will be unable to see eachother. The MS Network Wizard on XP has a bad habit of wanting to change the network to "MSHOME" instead of leaving it where it is. To sort this out, right click on My Computer (on the desktop of the WinXP machine), Click on the "Computer Name" tab and somewhere in there you should see your computer name and a button that says "Click here for advanced settings" (or something like that). Click on that, and then Change the workgroup back to the Workgroup that is specified in Windows98. Sorry about some dodgy explanations for changing the workgroup, however I cannot find a WinXP Machine I can use for 5 mins to sort this out and am therefore resorting to doing this from memory. CyberChuck	cyberchuck (173)
160003	2003-07-16 21:18:00	PJ At the command prompt type IPCONFIG It should tell you some IP details. The subnet is the first three parts of an IP address, so in 192.168.0.1 the subnet is 192.168.0. If the two PCs have something different in the first three bits, they aren't on the same subnet and can't see each other without some router in between (so it won't go). If IPCONFIG doesn't work on win98 machine, try winipcfg from Start, Run. IP basics come in very handy with home networking now. Next thing is to go to the command prompt and ping the IP address of the other machine: ping 192.168.0.1 <enter> If it replies, good, if it doesn't bad. The next thing is to ping the machines using their names - so if the win98 machine is called "bob" type : ping bob <enter> and see if that works too. Let us know how you get on. robo.	robo (205)
160004	2003-07-17 01:57:00	Still no luck? Sorry PJ, I can't help anymore with network advice . :-( Further to Robo's suggestion to do some pinging, in Win XP you get the command (cmd) prompt by Start > All Programs > Command Prompt . It turns up a sort of DOS window and when you have finished with it you type exit to get out . You can also get there by Start > Run and type cmd and press Enter . It is similar in Win 98 only you look for the DOS prompt from the Start menu . You may already know all that but thought I would mention it in case you didn't . Don't give up . :-)	Susan B (19)
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