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161287 2003-07-21 04:57:00 I am a Derbyshire lad myself,and always regret not being sent to Eaton for a decent education,but as my parents would have had difficulty paying the bus fare there let alone the fees, so I had to put up with a lousy education.
Point being,depends which school you went to not which country you are in. 		Thomas (1820)
161288 2003-07-21 06:48:00 Partially true Thomas, my parents couldn't afford the bus fare to Eaton either !

I've told the story of my Gran before, but will repeat, she was born in 1877 or thereabouts, went to school in the depths of industrial Birmingham, Windsor St School, with quite strict Victorian teachers, and she left school at 13 when her mother died to look after her younger brothers and sisters. She came from a simple 'working class' background. Yet she could read and spell magnificently, read Dickens and other classics, she was very literate indeed. Her arithmetic and general knowledge were also remarkable.

When she started school, schools for the masses had not been existence for very long, forget when exactly. I expect it can be found on the Internet.

So the other side of the coin is how capable the person is and how good the teachers and teaching methods are. 		Terry Porritt (14)
161289 2003-07-21 06:53:00 > Not to worry, it is all good fun.
>
> I will take issue however with the complete urban
> myth that has grown up (notice I didnt say
> growen ) that Winston Churchill suffered from
> dyslexia. That is completely untrue, it seems to
> have been spread by those that re-write history. If
> that was true he would never have been able to have
> proof read his prolific writing output :)


I thought Winnie never read speech notes, and always spoke ad-lib. How would he be able to read anything with that fat cigar in his gob? 		Baldy (26)
161290 2003-07-21 07:11:00 well,(start Quote) Technology has made us lazy (end Quote), but i think that the Technology revolution is still passing us by and correct me if you think im wrong but is opening up a new era for us and is bringing in a English Revolution resulting in short hand typing and our lack of punctuation and so forth..... well, thats whats up with my English and spelling, its easier to understand, I think, the shortened text style but is resulting in the loss of the basic English that I so need to pass my sixth form year:) but as snoop dogg says: "What ever shizzles yo nizzle":)and as bugs bunny says: "thats all folks"

ST.† 		Synchronized_Thoughts (3860)
161291 2003-07-21 07:50:00 > I've kept out of this up to now, just had a good
> chuckle every now and then, because as you all know
> I'm from "the old country", and everyone knows we had
> a much superior education over there :).
> Or maybe, we all had a good education, (even here),
> 50/60 years ago, and teachers knew how to speak and
> spell.
>
> It's the pronunciation and the great vowel
> change I like comment about that is one cause of
> poor spelling, even a major cause.
>
> Now hands up all those that think unknown is
> spelt unknowen :D
>
> Now hands up again those who know the difference
> between all ready and already. (I dont
> think Stu does in a nearby posting)

It's things like which really bug me about the *English* language. Some words are spelt in ways that just do not make much sense at all, pronunciation yet this would be derived from the word pronounce. Where did the u go? 		-=JM=- (16)
161292 2003-07-21 08:06:00 Yes.. the dreadful knowEN and growEN etc....

BUT....how about congraDulations . Our esteemed T.V people just love that word. If only they could just use congraTulations. :O Seeing the odd spelling mistake is one thing, but HEARING these words misused constantly.... :_| :_|

However...I like using "emoticons" , so there!! Shame :8} :8} 		Maryann (2010)
161293 2003-07-21 08:49:00 I think JM, it may be more a case of where did the 'o' come from in pronounce, as this word comes from the Latin pronuntiare.
It could have been a Norman French alteration, after all, they didnt know how to speak French properly, especially after they had been in England a while. In Leicester, a Norman French stronghold, there is a Belvoir Castle, pronounced 'Beever', and similar vagaries all over the place.

English is such a conglomerate of 'Saxon' (Low German, or Platte Deutsch), Danish, Norwegian, Norman French, with Greek and Latin throw(e)n :) in, that inconsistency is not surprising.

Then there was the big pronunciation gap between north and south England resulting in a big 14th century vowel shift when the south more or less set the standard. 		Terry Porritt (14)
161294 2003-07-21 09:03:00 Terry. Whats the story with the vowel shift, what happened? PJ Poppa John (284)
161295 2003-07-21 10:07:00 Well Poppa, in the olden days when Latin was the lingua franca, Old/Middle English was written using the Latin alphabet, and as nowadays in many European languages, the vowels were pronounced differently to present day English. For example in Italian 'e' is pronounced 'ay', 'i' is pronounced 'ee'. So it was in Old English more or less. The word sheep would have been pronounced shape. There was also more of the 'ch' sound as in 'loch' or the German 'durch', and a rolling of the 'r's. Also the 'o' has changed dramatically, only in English is 'o' pronounced as in boat rather than as in bot.

To hear the epitome of mispronunciation with 'o', just hear all announcers everywhere say Kosovo. The first 'o' will be pronounced correctly, the middle one may or may not be, the last 'o' will be as
in 'boat' instead of 'bot'.

Gradually after Chaucer, during the late 1300s through to the end of the 15 century the vowel sounds had changed to more or less what we hear today, but there are all these regional variations (including NZ and the rest of the English speaking world as well as English counties), that will disprove the rule.

In Old Hill in the Black Country they still (or they did when I was a teenager) speak really Old English/Saxon... 'wo bist doo gain?' where are you going?

I thought this forum was about computing? :) 		Terry Porritt (14)
161296 2003-07-21 11:22:00 I will go back to the 19 centuary with you. mikebartnz (21)
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