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Thread ID: 35834	2003-07-23 02:56:00	Clean install on second hard drive	Beaver (1902)	Press F1

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162197	2003-07-25 22:58:00	I'm pretty sure that all BIOS will let you alter boot sequence. First though, you need to boot with floppy - then select cdr - type setup & see if W98 will let you install on the D drive. If so, then alter Boot seq in BIOS. Bye	Peter H (220)
162198	2003-07-26 01:58:00	Following on from Peter if your bIOS is modern enough to allow choice of hard drive booting then the problem is almost solved. I dont know why I didnt think of it before, maybe because my newer motherboard is the only one I have that does it. I carried out successful tests to more or less duplicate what you want to do Beaver. It does mean delving into the hardware but only to change a jumper and maybe an IDE cable. I connected my main hard drive as a Master to Primary IDE, ie. so it reads IDE Primary Master in the BIOS A hard drive with Win 3.11 and DOS 6.22 was set as another Master and connected Secondary IDE, that reads IDE Secondary Master in the BIOS (and also on the boot screen at start up). The CDROM drive was jumpered as a slave to the IDE Secondary Master hard drive. Then if you go into the BIOS at startup and go the page where you can set the order of booting (Advanced BIOS Features in my case), to boot from the secondary hard drive , select Floppy as First Boot Device, HDD1 as Second Boot Device, and CDROM as Third Boot Device. Save and exit. To boot from your main hard drive then change the boot order to Floppy HHD0 CDROM Save and exit. When you then boot from the main hard drive and start Windows 98, you will also see the second hard drive in Explorer or My Computer. You will be able to drag and drop files from one to the other. To clean install on what is now your D drive, it will have to be set as above first option, so that it can eventually be booted from, but at the moment it just has data and is not bootable. You will need to make a start up bootable Win 98 floppy, with Fdisk.exe and format.com on it, and CDROM drivers so that you can use the CDROM drive. I think FAQs at the top of the page gives instructions on how to do this, partition the drive with fdisk, format and install. This should do all you want to do at this stage, but it does mean a bit of hardware learning but not too much :) Im sorry you have been led all over the place, Ive learnt a lot too ;\ ;)	Terry Porritt (14)
162199	2003-07-26 09:30:00	Being led around a bit can't be helped, I guess, in a forum like this since we're all on our own learning curves. I am getting a bit out of my depth again though. I've been into the BIOS setup and found the following: Under Advanced it just lists the master and slave primary IDE and the master and slave secondary IDE ( that is, CD-ROM and CD-RW). It gives the model number of each but nothing else. Under Boot, it lists the floppy as !st BD, the 1st IDE-HDD as 2nd BD, the CD-ROM as 3rd BD and the 4th and last is described as disabled. There is no identification of either HD by 0 or 1. In the sub-menu, the disabled boot device can be changed to one of the following: 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th IDE-HDD, Floppy, ARMD-FDD, ARMD-HDD, ATAPI CD-ROM or SCSI. Does this make things any clearer or not?	Beaver (1902)
162200	2003-07-26 10:26:00	Hello again Beaver, Check to see in the Advanced part of the bios whether by pressing the page up or page down keys (after first scrolling down to and highlighting the Ist IDE -HDD), that the HDD number can be changed. Possibly in your bios the first IDE is HDD1 or 1st HDD, the second could be HDD2 or 2nd HDD etc. Not all bios's are the same, and even the same manufacturer like Award will have differences between versions and motherboards, since the motherboard manufacturers also change things. If you are able to change the hard drive number in the bios, then you will be able to boot from one or the other of the drives (that is after an operating system is installed on D: drive) But for the D: drive to boot it must be set as Master on the secondary IDE controller. You cant have 2 masters on the same IDE cable. This will mean disconnecting one of the CD drives and setting that to slave, if it isnt already a slave. A clear head is needed for all this, mine is getting a bit old now :)	Terry Porritt (14)
162201	2003-07-27 02:21:00	Hi Terry There's definitely no 0 or 1 after each HD listing. They are just described as Primary Master and Slave. Now let’s see if I’ve got this right up to this point: Hardware settings inside system unit: Current C drive stays as Primary IDE master Jumper second drive to become Secondary IDE master Jumper CD-Rom drive to become Secondary IDE slave Then put everything back together again and do the following: In BIOS setup, set boot device order: 1st – floppy, 2nd – HDD1 (D drive), 3rd – CD-ROM To change back to normal use of current C drive, reset boot device order: 1st – floppy, 2nd – HDD0 (C drive), 3rd – CD-ROM Questions: At what point do I clean install Windows on D drive? Can I still use the CD-ROM drive while all this is going on as I need it to clean install some programs or do I have to use the CD-RW drive? Is it possible that in making the second HD a Master, it will throw out the settings for one or both CD drives? Much as I would like to be able to flick back and forth without opening up the system unit again until I've finished, I dread doing something to the system that I can't undo because I don't have sufficient knowledge. Also, what about PQBoot. Isn't it suitable after all?	Beaver (1902)
162202	2003-07-27 02:56:00	I'll get back to you later Beaver, Im just going out for an hour or so. Bye	Terry Porritt (14)
162203	2003-07-27 06:26:00	Ok Beaver, you have got that pretty well right . We have to clarify whether you can select different hard drives in the bios boot sequence setting . In the boot sequence where it says first boot device is the floppy, the 2nd boot device is the 1st IDE-HDD, and the 3rd device is the CDROM, scroll down to the 2nd boot device with the up and down arrow keys and see whether, using the page up/down keys that the 1st IDE-HDD can be changed to 2nd IDE-HDD or something like that . Im almost sure it will do that, unless your motherboard is old like about 1998'ish or a bit later . Let's assume you can change it, then things will look good . Since each IDE cable can only take 2 devices, the CD-RW will need to be disconnected to make way for your D drive jumpered as a master . The existing CDROM drive is needed to install Win 98 from the CD, and will need to be set as slave . It doesnt really matter about this, Windows will take care of allocating a drive letter etc . If you can live without the CD-RW for a while then when everything is done and it is connected back windows will detect and set it up . So dont worry about losing it :) When you have the D: drive connected as a secondary master, you would need to make sure that any data on it is transfered to your C: drive, because it is all going to be lost . Else, before you do anything copy all the D: stuff you want to a CD . This is the stage when, having a bootable floppy with CDROM drivers and fdisk and format etc , handy, you can fdisk the D: drive and choose what partitions you would like to have, and then format those partitions . Then using the install CD you go about installing Win 98 onto D: drive . (Note that eventually when this D: drive gets re-connected on the primary IDE connector where your current C: drive is, it will automatically become C: drive) . No where am I? Think I'll leave at that for the moment to let the brain cells revive a bit . Oh yes, PQBOOT . EXE program . Just delete this, it only works with bootable partitions on the same drive, not on different drives . A pity as that would have made life mush easier .	Terry Porritt (14)
162204	2003-07-27 07:33:00	I have been keeping out of this thread until now even though I did something very similar not long ago, because I did not want to add to the confusion . It might pay for me to mention my experience now though, in case it saves a little grief later on . When I added my new hard drive I went into the BIOS, made the new drive bootable and installed Win XP on it, thus having Win XP on both drives at the same time . That was OK but I could not get the new installation of Win XP on the new drive to become the C: drive instead of the H: that it was allocated . I did not want this so in the end I unplugged the old hard drive, reinstalled Win XP again on the new drive and when it was safely labelled C: replugged in the old drive and found the letter allocations in their correct places . Moral of the story: it may be better to unplug the old hard drive before installing Windows on the new drive . Having said that, I have not attempted to boot from my old hard drive and see if the old Win XP will work, although I could happily boot from either by changing the BIOS boot order prior to the unplugging method . If I can get other people off the other computer long enough to try it tonight, I will do so .	Susan B (19)
162205	2003-07-27 08:33:00	Thanks for that contribution Susan. I'll do an exact trial of what I've said, install Win 98 on a spare drive and see what happens to the drive letter when its moved to the primary IDE. What beaver wants to do is easy enough with plugging and unplugging etc, it's trying to get an easy way thats the hard part. I'll report back later.	Terry Porritt (14)
162206	2003-07-27 09:01:00	Just to let you know, Terry, that the 2nd boot device in my Bios setup can be changed to 2nd IDE-HDD. I didn't actually do it - just looked at the list in the sub-menu. Shall await further developments from you or Susan	Beaver (1902)
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