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Thread ID: 36015 2003-07-28 10:55:00 Fans and noise sjbryce (2129) Press F1
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163490 2003-07-29 13:17:00 Quote from Metla:

"Sure,if the correct spelling is used."

But it wasnt.
Bazza (407)
163491 2003-07-29 13:22:00 If the word doesn't exist,it would be tricky to spell it right;) Thomas (1820)
163492 2003-07-29 13:30:00 heh,the word does exist,got those results from www.dictionary.com

And yes, the incorrect spelling was used, but due to my superhuman abilities and superior intellect i was able to deduce a viable result.

And if you all dont agree,im gonna break out a haka,call a hui and eat a hangi.


.....the wife sure does look at me strange when i break out a haka at the puter monitor....
metla (154)
163493 2003-07-29 14:27:00 >And if you all dont agree,im gonna break out a haka,call a hui and eat a >hangi .





Take a deep breath and consider the lilies of the field . Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself . Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof .
Thomas (1820)
163494 2003-07-30 04:00:00 yes sometimes i make words up in my head i mean

"insulation would help reduce noise"

and cheap cases today are not as noise minimising as what the old ones are like

If you want a good case the brand name cases are actually good, the spend a lot of time researching how to reduce noises from the case
roofus (483)
163495 2003-07-31 14:39:00 ahhh the never-ending quest for silence . . .

firstly:
>> Ok i am getting really annoyed with how much noise my comp is putting >>out . Any idea on the quietes cpu fan fora a 1600+ xp , case fans and psu >>fans ???AHAHAHAH

for cpu - ask a friendly retailer for the latest AMD stock HSF, most retailers should have one lying about from a 2800+ or more . . . It has a copper insert, performs quite well and is very quiet . . . AMD has put in a lot of work in with their stock heatsinks, and they have become increasingly competitive with 3rd party heatsinks as of late (and I know this because I'm the cooling reviewer for radiativenz . com)

case fans and psu fans - go for the panaflo low speeds for your case, and a panaflo high speed for your psu (Assuming your psu has a half decent silencing circuit, the high speed will run SUPER quiet, and will work up to an audible but tolerable hum . . this has been my experience with replacing the primary fan in my Superflower (enermax) 400w PSU) Be careful changing the fan in your PSU though, I take no responsibility for you getting zapped .

Panaflo's can be got from coolcases . co . nz for a touch over 35 bucks a pop, an *ok* alternative would be vantec stealths, which are far more widespread on the NZ market . . . .

Some basic rules of thumb:
* with cases you get what you pay for . if you take an $80 case over a $150 case, then dont moan when the panels start rattling and the cheap psu provided with it blows up . Of course you could buy damping material etc but thats an extra cost . . . you should just buy a decent case in the first place . Buy from a reputable brand like InWin, Aopen or Lian-Li and you'll get a solid low/no-rattle case with a solid PSU that'll last you yonks .

* brute force cooling is not always the way to go . I used to have two loud 80mm case fans in the standard ATX positions, I now have better cooling (read: 10 degress c) from two low speed panaflo's and a large passive convection intake on the bottom of my case . Noise difference == HUGE .

* Tidy those internal cables . Any unused PSU cables can be tucked into a spare drive bay, invest in some rounded IDE cables, and purchase some cable ties . Tuck and tie, tuck and tie, tuck and tie . The tidier your cables are, the easier it will be for air to move around inside your case, the less your fan requirements will be, and subsequently the quieter it'll be for the same cooling performance .

* If you get on a mission for silence, prepare for a lot of work . . . it's not as easy as watercooling your cpu . . . because once you completely remove the cpu hsf noise factor, you'll notice the high pitch whine of a GPU or NorthBridge fan, or even the high pitch whine of your HDD(s) that your CPU HSF once happily disguised . . . basically once you kill off the major noise factors, you are met with multiple minor noise factors . . . If you want to see the ultimate in silence vendetta's, take a squiz at http://www . zerofanzone . co . uk

* If you want to watercool your rig, dont ask here at pressf1 (no offence intended), instead look at overclocker forums (forums . overclockers . co . nz for a start - always helps to support local, and the advice given will be more relevant to products on the NZ market), they've got a pretty good cooling faq (IMHO, seeing as I wrote it ;)) with links to recommended reading, and definately read around . . . The more you learn about watercooling, the more confident you'll become and the lesser the chance you have of stuffing up .

Quick recommendations for watercooling however (just to get you started):
Go for the Thermaltake AquariusII watercooling kit (best bang for the buck on the market) . Avoid the 3R Systems Poseidon .

A better option in my opinion is the mid-price bracket OCNZ gear; the Icicle and Glacier waterblock and radiator . Couple these with an Eheim 1046/1048 pump, or even a via aqua pump (cheap alternative to eheim), some silicone tubing, and you're away laughing . . . These are of better quality than the 3R and Tt options, however are a touch pricier obviously . . they can be got either direct from overclockers . co . nz or slightly cheaper from enthusiast retailers such as stylespc . com or novapcpower . com

If you have oodles of money, look at an Innovatek kit, however replace the tubing with 3/8" silicone, as the provided tubing has a tendency to flatten out . . .

But most importantly, read, read and read . Consult with a forum that specialises in watercooling, such as an overclockers forum .

As a reference, I am currently watercooled using an OCNZ radiator, Eheim 1048 waterpump, homebuilt reservoir (click clack 400ml container) and LiquidCC Surge waterblock (LiquidCC (http://www . liquidcc . com) is an NZ based waterblock manufacturer) and a papst 120mm fan at 5v (silent) and I'm currently pushing 33 degrees celsius on my Athlon 1800+ (which is mildly overclocked to 2GHz or "2400+"), and that's with 100% cpu load . . . 33c, full load AND silent . . . not bad I say :D

And finally the antinoise/ANR idea . . this is an idea I had over two and a half years ago, consulted professors from universities in australia about it, had lengthy discussions with recording professionals, and a decent chat with a professional acoustics engineer/scientist, I even constructed a prototype, but I subsequently came to the conclusion that antinoise would be difficult to impliment as there are so many alignment problems with echoes etc all over the place, it would be simpler to go with a whitenoise generator at a low volume .

Whitenoise is best used where mass noise dampening is required . . . ever wondered why in some libraries (not a good example) and more notably high rise office buildings that things seem quiet and you cant easily hear conversations unless you are nearby? That's a healthy serving of whitenoise for you :)
whetu (237)
163496 2003-07-31 14:47:00 terry, you mention Tangential fans... the similar squirrelcage fans are starting to show up on CPU HSFs such as the Coolermaster Aero7, as can be seen here:
www.radiativenz.com

(just a quick BTW ;))
whetu (237)
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