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| Thread ID: 128407 | 2012-12-18 10:23:00 | Stephen Fry on copyright madness | Agent_24 (57) | PC World Chat |
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| 1318967 | 2012-12-18 22:10:00 | It's a funny one, although most of you won't like the artist Macklemore I thought his video on why they made the album was great, he really hit me in a way that made sense - www.youtube.com they made the physical copy something you wanted to own and I think that's the problem with industry at the moment. You have to WANT to own it, otherwise you'll just obtain it. There has to be that pride about actually getting something. Ever since they introduced paid DLC to PC games I thought stuff this, I pay $90 for a game and then $15 x4 to get maps... Why on earth would I ever spend $160 on a game? Next year another one comes out and thats just for one series (COD is ready to die, please let it do so!!!) Even worse I can't sell my copy of MW3 I foolishly bought assuming it would be good without reading any reviews or "pirating" it to try it out because of DRM and "copyright" issues. With what chill said for humble bundle and the music pricing, why not give away MW3 for $10 with 3x maps and 2x game types? Every 6mths you pay $10 and after 2x years existing subscriptions are free to play. Buying new maps + game play costs more and if you are really dedicated and make massive achievements you could unlock it for free. Similar to what Rovio (or some other app developer) does for mobile, if you get a certain score/play time you get ad free for free, or you can just pay $2. I'd rather do that than waste money as it is. I don't think anyone should make money from selling pirated media, that's wrong on many levels IMO, however obtaining for personal use only can be justified to some extent. If you pirate simply because you want to skip the system then it's also wrong. I know I got into university and passed college well because I have a pirated copy of Photoshop and for a while word and win7 although I bought the latter two eventually. There's no way as a student I could afford a $1000 piece of software, even the student edition costs several hundred dollars. I consider this "piracy" justified as long as I don't use it for financial gain. I don't use it professionally or to make money, just to learn. If I ever did get into the design industry then of course I'd pay for it. DRM and copyright are a corporate joke, it's all about the industry, CEO's etc NOT about the content artists or the listener. I know most music artists would rather their content be enjoyed than make stacks of money, film is different because it's so expensive to produce but even so it shouldn't be as expensive as it is. In the US with netflix/HULU it's better but that needs to become global, none of this stupid zoning crap. That goes for hardware as well as content (Surface, Nexus (sort of) and other services such as google now. DVD's were bad enough, VHS was terrible but Digital is worst of all. |
The Error Guy (14052) | ||
| 1318968 | 2012-12-18 22:25:00 | It comes down to how you define theft I guess, some definitions state the "deprivation of property" as part of it and hence people getting into silly arguments about whether copying intellectual property is theft or not. To me any time you take something illegally you are stealing, whether or not a physical thing is involved. I don't much care for the legal definitions either, I leave that to lawyers and Judges. I absolutely believe you can steal an Idea or data even if it has no tangible existance in the real world. Call it copyright infringement if you must, the reason I object is because many who make the distinction are really just trying to justify their own illegal actions as not being "all that bad" by pointing out they haven't really taken anything. To that I say "bollox" Downloading an album illegally is basically the same as stealing the CD, you don't pay retail prices for the 2c piece of plastic, you pay for the data that's on it and to a lesser extent for the case and artwork. The bulk of the purchase price though is for exactly what people are getting when they download illegally, the music. |
dugimodo (138) | ||
| 1318969 | 2012-12-18 22:28:00 | Yeah exactly, if you could duplicate somebody elses car for free, while still leaving them with the original, would you? Hmmm. I think that would depend on the make of car.... :D |
johcar (6283) | ||
| 1318970 | 2012-12-18 22:37:00 | dugimodo, I guess my point is that you can take things without it being illegal if the use you put it to is covered under copyright or permitted by the copyright holder. For example, someone can quote from my reviews. I use images from various manufacturers because it's for the purpose of fair use, which is covered under copyright. Some copyright holders find quotes or image usage unacceptable and issue takedown orders. It only becomes illegal if the copyright holder's wishes are not followed. Even for three strikes, it's illegal to download, but it's actionable only if the copyright holder puts forth a claim. Some bands are famous for allowing copies of their material, including concerts, to be circulated. That's copying something, and it would be illegal - except that the copyright holder permits it. There's no blanket condition under which something is "theft" in other words. The copyright holder is the arbiter. It's safest to assume that you can take nothing without the permission of the copyright holder, because in 99% of cases, that's going to be the case, and most people who want to share their copyright make it clear, using Creative Commons and the like. On your other points, I'm so with you I'm practically cheering. :) |
Zara Baxter (16260) | ||
| 1318971 | 2012-12-18 23:21:00 | NZ copyright law doesn't really allow for format-shifting and things though does it? So for the better part if you buy a CD from a small local band who aren't on iTunes, and want to put that on your iPod coz you no longer carry a discman, you're up the creek without a paddle. EDIT: Wait actually didn't that change last year? It's now just video that you can't do that to, such as movies on DVD to your PC / iPod? |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1318972 | 2012-12-18 23:49:00 | NZ copyright law doesn't really allow for format-shifting and things though does it? So for the better part if you buy a CD from a small local band who aren't on iTunes, and want to put that on your iPod coz you no longer carry a discman, you're up the creek without a paddle. EDIT: Wait actually didn't that change last year? It's now just video that you can't do that to, such as movies on DVD to your PC / iPod? It's my understanding that digital music format-shifting is now okay, as long as you don't need to break copy-protection mechanisms to do so. |
Zara Baxter (16260) | ||
| 1318973 | 2012-12-19 01:25:00 | Mmmm so many CDs that have copy protection: Can't do it. Which sucks, friend of mine was given a DVD for Christmas. Doesn't have a DVD player, he only has a Nintendo Wii and a Netbook. Kinda buggered coz he's not allowed to take it somewhere else (Or borrow my USB DVD drive), format shift it to play on his own netbook. Or his iPad. Seems stupid if you ask me. Side note: He was a badass and did it anyway ;) |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1318974 | 2012-12-19 01:47:00 | NZ didn't have a fair use law for a long time but they eventually sorted that out . For a long time there was no legal way to put copyrighted music you owned onto a portable device here . Didn't stop anyone doing it though . Here's an amusing tidbit . Remember when the last attempt at copy protecting CDs made some of them unable to play or rip on PCs . Without ever mentioning it Microsoft at some point seem to have given media player the ability to ignore that protection and do it anyway . |
dugimodo (138) | ||
| 1318975 | 2012-12-19 06:09:00 | I don't want to have a duplicate of professional media. What I want is media without regional encoding, and without DRM, both of which infringe my freedom to use the material as I choose, be that in the past, the present or the future. So that's what I get, media without the regional encoding, and without the DRM. So it's not strickly a copy, since the original product had been spoilt before it left the factory, and I've got an improved product instead. The software and media companies are remarkable for the 2-3 decades of which they have foisted on us buggy, faulty, incomplete or crippled products, and expect us to lap it up happily and to pay them handsomly, and repeatedly. Would we be happy to buy petrol that didn't combust? Or brake pads that only worked in China? Or screwdrivers that needed the correct heads to be ordered online after purchase? So why do we put up with crippleware, inconvenienceware, and products you can't take overseas when you move home? How long until some fiend tries to sell Jaffaware, which can only be used in Auckland? Or Windyware, only works in Wellington, or Crumpleware for use in Christchurch? It's the same process exactly, so why should any regionalware stuff be tolerated? |
Paul.Cov (425) | ||
| 1318976 | 2012-12-19 06:59:00 | NZ copyright law doesn't really allow for format-shifting and things though does it? So for the better part if you buy a CD from a small local band who aren't on iTunes, and want to put that on your iPod coz you no longer carry a discman, you're up the creek without a paddle. EDIT: Wait actually didn't that change last year? It's now just video that you can't do that to, such as movies on DVD to your PC / iPod?a CD that contains DRM cannot legally be labelled as a CDDA (compact disc digital audio) as it contains software on it. I have successfully argued this in store when returning one many years ago after it wouldn't play on a computer. |
plod (107) | ||
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