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Thread ID: 36116	2003-07-31 09:07:00	Question from us at PC World	marke (457)	Press F1

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164226	2003-07-31 23:00:00	You pose multiple questions - which given the list of responses does reflect some views - of those prepared to take the time. Mostly apathy rules - and a tick box questionnaire would possibly elicit a greater and more detailed response. For my part - I have no problems - if I don't like the site I won't revisit - but being me I will tell you. DJ	FURPEOPLE (4276)
164227	2003-07-31 23:20:00	No issues with your intentions here Marke . Cookies (for this site), ad's and e-mail notification all on . I find the notification handy, as I guess its intended to be, for keeping track of threads . Re the ad sizes for those that are worried, eg 56k dial-uper's, many firewalls, ad blockers, and spyware app's will block images by size, in kb's or pixels . Have a look at the settings or go get one if you don't already, there's plenty of advise here abouts for which one are best :) Does/would anyone really get that upset with (certain) companies that they would leave this forum if they advertised on it? IMHO the principle purpose and culture of this site should override anybody's misgivings with regard to specific companies . I don't read every ad in a newspaper, for eg, and wouldn't trash the Dom because I saw an ad for a particular company I dislike while reading the news . IDG's commercial realities need to be catered for, as per GF, no free lunch, I'm sure if any ads were over the top or in poor taste then the good people on this forum would let their views be known ;) . Cheers Murray P	Murray P (44)
164228	2003-08-01 00:41:00	Hear hear Murray! Leaving because you don't like the advertisers who help provide the Forum smacks of intolerance to me, and intolerance is inevitably followed by less savoury forms of discrimination. All justified by weasel words. If you don't like the advertisers, don't buy from them. It's a free world folks, and the consumer is king, or so they tell us............. Cheers Billy 8-{) [b][pre]Parental Advisory: Dummy spitting may follow.	Billy T (70)
164229	2003-08-01 01:00:00	Don't really see any problem as long as the original concept of helping others with computer based problems is adheared to and freedom of speach preserved. Good luck................heaton	heaton (3697)
164230	2003-08-01 01:12:00	Hi Marke. I don't post very often 'cos I feel kinda stupid mixing it with the expert forum members but I do read the forum at least once a day. Shall just say a very big THANK YOU for asking forum members for their opinion, other forum admins would have just gone ahead and done whatever then ignored any flak. Good on yer!!	Garibaldi (3838)
164231	2003-08-01 01:37:00	I have no problem with the concept of a sponsored PF1 site, but there are a few caveats I would like to see put in place: No invasive advertising - examples of unacceptable advertising have been covered by previous contribbutors. No spyware via cookies etc. No expectation by the sponsors that because they are paying for it, they have control over what is said here. Imagine the uproar if a thread was giving one of the sponsors products (or the company itself) a bit of a hard time, and one of the companies representatives (official or not) posted a "How dare you, we paid for this forum" type reply. Retention of text-only notifications, with the lick still visible at the top of the page - no annoying scrolling through advertising text to find the link. I find notifications very handy as I am usuallymore interested in previous threads I have contributed in than new ones, and I usually begin my surfing of PF1 via my inbox. Other than that, if it means that PF1 remains the quality product it is due to continued funding, then four thumbs up! :) G P	Graham Petrie (449)
164232	2003-08-01 01:45:00	> I don't post very often 'cos I feel kinda > stupid mixing it with the expert forum members but I > do read the forum at least once a day. Hi ya Garibaldi, Its not a prerequisite to be an expert to post on this site, I'm a perfect example of that ;). Committing your thoughts/ideas/knowledge to paper, so to speak, often clarifies said thoughts/ideas/knowledge and brings about its own learning process, and before any of you lot start, I know... I know, but there are exceptions to rules :8}, so give it a whirl if you've been itching to contribute :) there is value in the contribution and the receipt. Cheers Murray P	Murray P (44)
164233	2003-08-01 04:41:00	As long as these advertisers/sponsors are not moderating the posts based on how much they promote or criticise their products, then everything's fine with me . I'd rather have advertising, than for PressF1 to close down .	somebody (208)
164234	2003-08-01 05:13:00	> As long as these advertisers/sponsors are not > moderating the posts based on how much they promote > or criticise their products, then everything's fine > with me . > > I'd rather have advertising, than for PressF1 to > close down . We never have, and never would allow advertisers to dicate editorial policy - for that reason, sales and editorial are like church and state at IDG . . . seperate entities . And as far as we are concerned, PressF1 is every bit as much of an "editorial" product - even though the "content" is created by you guys - as any of our other editorial products . So to allay your fears on this - we would definitely not allow advertisers to moderate posts - period!! Secondly, we ourselves would not moderate posts unless they were clearly out of line - i . e unbalanced and unfair . And we would do this for advertisers and non-advertisers alike . . . that is our current policy anyway . Some posters have mentioned the infamous thread about the PC Company . We stepped in to that conversation because we felt that the thread had become "unfair" - that there wasn't the opportunity for the PC Company to address the criticisms that had been levelled in the discussion . They then actually did respond to the criticisms with some answers . And eventually I think that thread became something that was actually useful - regardless of the initial OTT nature . It actually ended up providing a channel of communication between customers and suppliers which ultimately benefits both . At that point, the power and advantages of this sort of forum become most obvious . The forum can become not just a place for people to air their gripes about products or services, but a place where also those complaints can potentially be addressed - at which point (hopefully) everybody wins . The difficult balancing act is to ensure that things are handled "fairly" - and by "fairly" I don't mean that products or services shouldn't be able to be "criticised" - far from it . . . that's exactly what we do in our magazines for instance when we review products . What I mean is that if you criticise a product or a service you back your criticism up with fact, give those you criticise a chance to answer your criticism and behave in a generally civillised manner . . . which is what (in the main) the people who frequent this forum do . That is what makes it such a good place for people to meet, discuss, and help each other out . My personal feeling is that none of the things I've suggested here needs to have any negative effect at all on the way this forum functions (in fact there would be little or no visible change to the forum itself, and none at all to the forum's current operational policies) . But I wanted to ask you guys the questions, 'cause you are the people that make this forum what it is . And I wanted to ask it publicly, so that potential sponsors can see - openly - what PressF1 is all about, and feel comfortable that its an environment where they are not going to be unfairly treated . . . yes they will be criticised at times, and maybe praised at times too . . . but it will always be done fairly . In any case, they are not going to be criticised more or less because they are a sponsor than if they weren't are they? Thanks everyone for your input too - interesting, and much appreciated . And to those people who have publicly stated that they don't subscribe to PC World, and use ad-blockers . . . well the rest of us know what you are missing out on (and we'll make sure that the prizes are awarded with ads too . . . hehehe!) </rant > :D Thanks all, Over and out Mark Evans Online Business Manager & CTO IDG Communications Ltd	marke (457)
164235	2003-08-01 05:19:00	Hehehe ... just noticed this post and link (nice one ...giggle!). Please don't tell Bruce ... I don't want to get kicked from my own forum!! :D Anyway, I was being flippant rather than sarcastic .. same joke, just a different intention ;-) Cheers [[b]]Mark[[b]]	marke (457)
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