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165872	2003-08-07 02:47:00	Just to add a few things: Firstly, while a Nokia Hub/Router/Firewall/Whatever else they do is good, its only for Dial-Up, so ICS is pretty easy to setup and get going if you are willing to persevere should you run into troubles. Now, you'll be needing to make the PC's networked first, from there when you know they're both networked fine, then you can go ahead with Internet Connection Sharing (ICS), but until you've got a fully functional network, trying to start ICS would simply cause more headaches for you. Cat6 is backwards compatible with Cat5 and Cat5e, so any of those above are fine for running your 10/100mbps network (Which is the speed that the network runs at, in this case it will auto-detect that both PC's can run at 100mbps, and so that will be your speed). Crossover simply is a standard cable with the connection's "Crossed Over" so that PC's can connect directly without having to have a hub, switch, or a router to connect the PC's and direct the flow of traffic between them! ICS is fully legal, Im just saying that as Ive had some people concerned about how it works, and that it's ripping your ISP off or whatever. Its not, basically what ICS does is takes the main PC which will be connected to the Internet (We'll call it the gateway or host PC) and forwards to the Client PC any data for websites the client tries to access, so as far as your ISP are concerned, there could be 1 or 100PC's connected, and they wont mind! Its not just limited to website, but any internet traffic will pass through, such as ICQ/MSN etc :-) I'd suggest you goto DSE, remember what Gorela said (Very well put :-)) and get a Crossover Cable. You'll then need to setup your network first with your PC's, sharing files is probably a good place to start. If you get stuck, then you know where to come for help ;-) Hope this helps Cheers Chill.	Chilling_Silently (228)
165873	2003-08-07 02:48:00	Hi Guys, Just thought I'd ask one more question, if so, I was to purchase a hub or a cat5; cat5e what price range will I be expected to pay for these items? Thanks for your help. I really appreciate your help. Thanks Murray for those websites. I will take the time to research more and be more clear in the long run in the future.	sandy beach (1540)
165874	2003-08-07 02:56:00	what I really should of said; is that the reasons I would of used Cat 6 is that the length of the cable is efficient enough for me to link my cable to the other PC in the lounge. It seems though that the majority of Cat 5 cables (correct me if i'm wrong here) do not go further than 5 meters. Had a look at DSE this afternoon and yes there are more cat 6 cables going at least 30 metres. Wow!! The distance from one computer to another is probably 10 metres.	sandy beach (1540)
165875	2003-08-07 03:40:00	Cat 5 cables can run Ethernet 100mbps for 100 metres. Longer than that and you will have problems. For the home user there is negligible difference between Cat 5 and 6 if only connecting 2 pcs at the home.	KiwiTT (4082)
165876	2003-08-07 04:24:00	You are in luck -- just last night Babe Ruth kindly provided a link to the Microsoft Knowledge Base article How to Set Up a Small Network with Windows XP Home Edition (support.microsoft.com) which may be of some help. Even though you are using Win 2000 there would still be parts that apply to your system.	Susan B (19)
165877	2003-08-07 08:06:00	You can get cat5(e, 6) from your local electrical supplier. Not sure if they would have it with the plugs fitted already though, I fitted my own to the length I needed. Much cheaper than DSE. Cheers Murray P	Murray P (44)
165878	2003-08-07 08:56:00	Sandy Beach, The cost of cables and a hub can vary depending on the manufacturer and supplier. As you seem to be looking at DSE I think they have 10Mb/sec hubs selling for about $50 and 100Mb/sec switches for $90-100. To enjoy the same connection speed as you would get from the crossover cables (ie direct connection) you would need to buy the switch and would also need to buy two straight through CAT5/5e or CAT6 cables. So now you are looking at an outlay of about $150 to get the same functionality as the $30 crossover cable. The only good thing about a hub or switch is that you can connect more than two computers together. If you were thinking of adding additional computers in the future you can always buy the switch at a later time. You will find that the price will only lower over time and by then you could easily buy some RJ45 connectors and make your 30m crossover into a number of smaller normal cables. ;)	Gorela (901)
165879	2003-08-07 10:03:00	Hiya everyone, Thanks to Gorela, Murray, and to everyone out there who dedicated their time to help me. I really appreciate it heaps. Just as long as I have a general idea, I should be fine when I don't feel too embarrased about asking the sales person about networking. If you feel though I have left out any important things not yet mentioned, please feel free to tell me. I'd rather pay for personal advice than things I have no knowledge about. Also, I will use the FAQ to also help answer some of my questions so that you guys and girls can help some one who also needs some assistance. Thanks	sandy beach (1540)
165880	2003-08-07 13:42:00	> Just as long as I have a general idea, I should be > fine when I don't feel too embarrased about asking > the sales person about networking . Well, the people at DSE are supposed to be knowledgable in this sorta thing . It may help if when you go in there you ask to speak to somebody who is fluent with Computer Networking, so you dont get given the run-around to a certain degree . > Also, I will use the FAQ to > also help answer some of my questions so that you > guys and girls can help some one who also needs some > assistance . Im sure that was why you've posted here . . . . ;-) If you do go in there, dont let them try and sell you something you're not after . I had a friend go in about a fornight ago to buy a Crossover Cable, basically wanting what to do the same as you, and came out with a JetStream/ADSL Router for around $300! Now, this friend was only supposed to spend $30ish on a Crossover Cable . . . So it may be a good idea to decide on Crossover Cable or Switch/Hub first of all, before you go shopping :-)	Chilling_Silently (228)
165881	2003-08-08 04:53:00	You can get a 5 to 8 port switch for $40 to $60 for something that is fine for home or home office. I agree that its not needed unless you plan to expand your network from 2 comps in the near future or add other ethernet componemts such as an adsl router or printer (yes you can get them with usb and ethernet, why?) BTW. It cost me about $0.75/ meter for cat5e cable, sans rj45 plugs. Cheers Murray P	Murray P (44)
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