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167976 2003-08-15 06:52:00 I have built a little wired comm system for a concert I'm running next week - so I can give cues to followspot operators etc. However, the mics from the headsets are picking up too much background noise - especially loud bands.

I figured that if I could somehow generate an inverting signal of the background noise, I could get it to cancel out. Does anyone know where I could find a circuit of this sort? Or where I could hire a device which would do this (in the Hawkes Bay area)?
somebody (208)
167977 2003-08-15 09:23:00 You mean noise cancellation cicuitry .

Its not easy, as "inverting" needs to take all the phase shifts into account .
It can be done, but its a highly complex process . Commercially available headphones use the process (I have used them on International flights in Business Class) but they cost hundreds each .

It requires a microprocessor to analyse the signals (probably using Fourier analysis) driving a variable phase and amplitude amplifier .

Expect to spend lots .
godfather (25)
167978 2003-08-15 09:55:00 Thanks godfather. I might have to re-think the idea, or just learn to put up with the ambient noise. somebody (208)
167979 2003-08-15 10:13:00 You need to have low sensitivity mics, and have them close to the operators mouths to avoid your present problem. godfather (25)
167980 2003-08-15 10:29:00 Ok . The problem is that i've already bought the headsets, which are standard computer headsets from Warehouse Stationary . I built the electret microphone powering circuit which I asked about on this forum earlier this year, and that seems to work quite well .

Would adjusting the gain/levels on the mixer (which I'm using to connect the headsets) help in any way?
somebody (208)
167981 2003-08-15 10:33:00 reduce the gain as much as possible in the mic circuits. Unfortunately electret mics tend to be quite sensitive, but somewhere you will find a better setting.

Or turn down the band amplifiers....
godfather (25)
167982 2003-08-15 10:56:00 I'll have to do some rewiring - I am currently plugging the mics into a line-in socket, opposed to a mic socket. That means that I have to turn the gain almost right up, in order to pick up the sound. If I did some rewiring, and plugged it into the mic-in socket, then that should help, and give me some more flexibility. Would that have a risk of blowing up the mixer? somebody (208)
167983 2003-08-15 11:16:00 How would you "blowup" the mixer?
Drive it into distortion, yes .

Unless you are going to put some serious voltages (which shouldn't even exist in your system) it would be a poor mixer that could be "blown up" in such a manner . Most audio preamps would just be driven into clipping and distorton but never destroyed .

You have an impedance and level mismatch at present, which will not be helping your problem . Mic into a mic level input will help .
godfather (25)
167984 2003-08-15 22:29:00 Thanks for your help Godfather. somebody (208)
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