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Thread ID: 36967	2003-08-25 00:23:00	Telecom's new ADSL plans	juha (761)	Press F1

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170253	2003-08-25 15:28:00	if your really pissed off you could always find where the main fiber optic lines run(usually along the main hi-ways), get a post digger(a farmers tool to drive big fence posts into the ground) and have some fun	sc0ut (2899)
170254	2003-08-25 21:25:00	sc0ut... it may be easier to shoot yourself in the foot ;) you'd be killing the internet to lots of people, maybe even you :D Anyways, I'm not planning on getting ADSL until jetstart goes to 256k with 10gb international, unlimited national. Argh, its a pain because be desperately need the phone line again! - David	DangerousDave (697)
170255	2003-08-25 21:28:00	> i wouldn't care if they give me 500MBs or 5GBs, > jetstream is the only isp (that i know of) that gives > free national traffic thats all you need Huh? jetstream isn't an ISP... ISPs offer Jetstream ADSL and they also offer capped international and most offer uncapped national traffic... Mike.	Mike (15)
170256	2003-08-25 22:46:00	As long as our government is to scared to deal with Telecoms monopoly properly (i.e. unbundle the local loop) there is not much we can do except grin and bear it. What we need is a company to offer 256k wireless on which a properly working VOIP is implemented and then we have the option of dropping Telecom forever. No more line rental and tolls charges = dead Telecom. Anybody else heard the rumours about TelstraClear rolling out a 256k wireless solution to the public soon (I assume this will be in Auck to start)? Maybe Telecom have heard that rumour to?	John Grieve (367)
170257	2003-08-26 00:53:00	i think its a sad business greed-discontented people. at polytech,at 8am and 8pm i get 50kbyte /sec only people who have experienced that speed can understand the happy feelings it gives to the user :-D :-) and then i wanted it always :-P in the middle of the day its modem speed (everyone checking emails with helpful ppl using internet radio) we need some competition in the market go walker wireless etc! BTW HOW can the net cafes do it? do they just buy an ultimately expensive one? heh i live in dunedin,far from the reaches of fast net :P :)	toxicbass (4045)
170258	2003-08-26 01:31:00	Another way of looking at the pricing is to see how much Telecom actually charges for the data you shift if you stay within the monthly allowances. Ignoring line rentals and ISP charges, but adding GST, business users pay between 9 and 12 cents per MB for their full-speed ADSL connections. However, Jetstream Home500 256K only works out as 8 cents/MB. The 1GB option is even less, at around 5 cents/MB. For 2GB, you pay just under 3 cents/MB. So how can Telecom justify the 20c/MB excess, when it's clearly making a profit selling data at 3 cents/MB? ISPs work out the cost of data lines by working out the number of megabytes in one megabit/s/month of the connection; the formula I was given goes like this: (((1Mb/8)/1048576) *3600*24*365.25)/12*cost-per-MB 20c/MB = NZ$62,699 12c/MB = NZ$37,619 8c/MB = NZ$25,079 3c/MB = NZ$9,404 In May 2002, I was told that the going rate in the US or EU is US$100 to US$200 per MB per month, depending on how much bandwidth you buy. Let's say NZ$250 - 500 per MB/month, and you have a per MB charge of 0.08 to 0.16 cents in the US/EU. Despite NZ's geographical isolation and business overheads to support end users, I don't think charging up to 125 times the cost of EU/US prices is acceptable. -- Juha	juha (761)
170259	2003-08-26 05:29:00	Telecom response to my letter: Thank you for your feedback. These new plans are an addition to our old plans and by no means the be all and end all of our offers. You can still have full blown 2mbps Jetstream or Jetstart and in the future there will be more plans. We are by no means a monopoly and are only seen as such because we are the only ones willing to invest the large quantities of money needed to run an ADSL service in NZ...our competitors, at this stage, have not seen fit to do so. In the meantime I have forwarded your concerns onto the marketing manager of our Internet Services. Thank you for taking the time to write to Telecom. We appreciate the feedback Yours sincerely [name removed before posting] For National Manager, Customer Services 0800 108010 ext 32641	godfather (25)
170260	2003-08-26 05:47:00	> We are by no means a monopoly and are only seen as > such because we are the only ones willing to invest > the large quantities of money needed to run an ADSL > service in NZ...our competitors, at this stage, have > not seen fit to do so. > In the meantime I have forwarded your concerns onto > the marketing manager of our Internet Services. HHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA yeah right what a load of bolony. I agree with an earlier post, Telecom in all their stupidy did not expect the vast public outrage that has decended upon their sorry heads. Now who in their right mind would release a statement like they did on Frinday and NOT expect a public outcry. I think telecom were hoping we'd all simply bend over and allow them to shove yup our collective rear ends.	Odin (227)
170261	2003-08-26 06:01:00	You have to accept their point that they are the only company in NZ investing money in upgrading the hardware which will enable faster and better broadband services in NZ - Probably because they own the telephone exchanges. If there was some way of opening up the telephone exchanges so that other ISPs can purchase their own equipment and upgrade too, then there would be more competition.	somebody (208)
170262	2003-08-26 06:03:00	Xtra has broadband packages over 5GB - I recall xtra offering a 15GB plan a while back . I know a large company who buys a per GB per month plan, as they go into hundreds of GB a month . They use jetstream to connect two of their networks, in the north island and south island . Must get expensive :D	somebody (208)
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