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| 173796 | 2003-09-10 02:20:00 | SAFE AIR :d (Airforce techs retirement home) I used to work with Lucas fuel system components on RR Viper and Dart. Are they related to Lucas Electrical (Prince of Darkness)? I had that problem with my 3.5 fdd but I got brutal with a pair of pliers and wrecked the fdd. Fixed the problem when I got a new one lol. tedheath |
tedheath (537) | ||
| 173797 | 2003-09-10 02:35:00 | Proving negligence on the part of directors is very hard to do and a private prosecution would be very expensive. Usually the Commerce Commission would prosecute such a case and for the purpose of disbarring a director from holding office in a company. Seen one in the news lately? Most directors/owners of significant companies will have any assets/funds tucked up nice and safe in a family trust. Hannah, I think you will find that most people that buy a PC Co machine are perfectly happy with their purchase, especially if the use is for normal everyday computing. I personally wouldn't touch one with a barge pole but, that goes for lots of similar manufacturers, as I build my own. My second option would be to get a shop to make one up to my spec'. Your right to be worried about your money. Keep contacting them, write to them, be conspicuous but polite. Cheers Murray P |
Murray P (44) | ||
| 173798 | 2003-09-10 02:48:00 | > Proving negligence on the part of directors is very > hard to do and a private prosecution would be very > expensive . Usually the Commerce Commission would > prosecute such a case and for the purpose of > disbarring a director from holding office in a > company . Seen one in the news lately? That can be done by the liquidators . They would audit the accounts to determine a statement of financial position at that point in time . I think it wouldn't be hard to prove with a company accepting orders 10 days before its closure, that the Directors of the company had some idea they were going to close . This being the case, I would suggest they have acted negligently . While it may be expensive through a private prosecution, the first step would be to go through the Disputes Tribunal and name the director of the company as the person you are complaining against . > Most directors/owners of significant companies will > have any assets/funds tucked up nice and safe in a > family trust . True, but if you traded negligently, family trusts will not provide any protection at all . Lo . |
Lohsing (219) | ||
| 173799 | 2003-09-10 02:49:00 | > The argument would be that they traded > while insolvent, and as such took your money knowing > they would go out of business. It looks like that in future when buying an expensive item, it would become standard procedure to request a copy of the current Statement of Financial Position to prove the sales company is solvent. Maybe also Financial Performance, so you can see what the costs are compared to the revenue. Hopefully someone in the CMANZ will be able to give a refund, or honour the contract of sale (which was formed when you handed the money over and received an invoice statement). |
D. McG (3023) | ||
| 173800 | 2003-09-10 02:55:00 | In the grand scheme of things a $1700 isn't that much, so I don't think I'll be suing anyone soon . It's the game of wait and see that is such a bugger because if I am never going to see the computer or the money I need to think about buying another computer . I can't keep using a computer that is over 5 years old and crashes at the drop of a hat! I know I am probably asking a dangerous question given everyone's far greater knowledge than mine in the area . . if worst comes to worst I'll I have to buy another computer, what do people think of dell? They seem to be quite popular with student types like myself . Although I have heard many a gripe with the difficulty of not getting much technical support, given that they are based in oz . I would be too scared to get someone to build a computer to my own specs, coz quite frankly past questions of ram, hard drives and whether or not there is a dvd player, I have no idea . Thanks for your replies people Hannah |
Hannah (4531) | ||
| 173801 | 2003-09-10 03:02:00 | > In the grand scheme of things a $1700 isn't that > much, so I don't think I'll be suing anyone soon . > It's the game of wait and see that is such a bugger > because if I am never going to see the computer or > the money I need to think about buying another > computer . I can't keep using a computer that is over > 5 years old and crashes at the drop of a hat! You are right in that $1700 isn't much, but if you imagine that 10 other people may have done the same thing, then it all adds up . . . $17,000 very easily . As for suing . . . well, considering taking the matter to the Disputes Tribunal would only cost another $30 - $50 max . . . I think it would be worthwhile doing to look at . Lo . |
Lohsing (219) | ||
| 173802 | 2003-09-10 03:07:00 | you could be right there, I wonder how many other people are in the same position as me . Given that the pc company seems to provide for the average joe who knows nothing and wants a computer for home, the number of people who weren't aware of what was going on, like myself would be quite high I suspect . I've been talking to a friend of mine who is a lawyer so I'll discuss that option with her . Thanks |
Hannah (4531) | ||
| 173803 | 2003-09-10 03:12:00 | $1700 is a lot in my books !! always try to pay for large items like PCs etc bu credit card that way if this situation arises you can reverse the charges being covered for none delivery of goods . Also it is far better to ask someone you know preferably a friendly PC guru to advise where and what to buy ; or even build one up for you a customised system is always better than the standard retail PC with onboard everything that is sold at a premium marked up price . |
kiwibeat (304) | ||
| 173804 | 2003-09-10 03:15:00 | But the situation hasn't come to suing anyone yet . They've said that they hope to be "reorganised" at the end of the week . It's only Wednesday . With a bit of luck, Hannah, there will be a courier driver knocking on your door in a couple of weeks . :D |
Graham L (2) | ||
| 173805 | 2003-09-10 03:18:00 | Yes Ted, Lucas was all one big happy family, great company to work for, and years ahead of its time management wise. In fact present New Right management would really benefit to go back in time and see how a good organisation was run for the mutual benefit of employees and shareholders alike. Lucas had never had a strike until I went there in the 50s (dont think I was responsible though), "Troublemakers" were promoted to positions of responsibility and so became part of the establishment :) Without exception all directors at the Gas Turbine company were working directors who had been in there from the beginning, some from the shop floor, eg one character named Joe Righton. Lucas GTE was formed during the war about 1944 to take over jet engine fuel systems from Rover who made a bit of a hash of it, or rather it was out of their league really, though Lucas had been involved with Whittle from about 1940. The Dart engine in all its variants was a work horse alright, and accounted for a large manufacturing output from the factory. The Viper I cant remember much, but I think one version powered the Jindivik pilotless drone. I think it was quite a small engine. I was there when the first fan bypass engine came online, the RR Conway. Everything was quite exciting in those days, something new all the time. Lucas Electrical was formed about 1890 and the HQ and main factory was at Gt. King St and Gt. Hampton St. in Birmingham. Lucas has now been swallowed up by an American firm whose name I forget. Lucas wasnt really The Prince Of Darkness :), they had some bad patches, mainly due to not proving new innovations properly. On the whole they were as good as most other major manufacturers like Delco and GE. |
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