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Thread ID: 128678 2013-01-08 04:51:00 So Key has finally lost my vote DeSade (984) PC World Chat
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1322017 2013-01-10 07:28:00 Google is your friend ;)
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Thanks Chill wil have to look at that another day though. 		mikebartnz (21)
1322018 2013-01-10 17:11:00 Wow that's quite a big detailed document.

But I tried to understand some of it - it is very technical

You can just image all of our politcians being able to understands it

But a two page summary would have been great.

Alll I know is that letting Telecom (or Chorus) bid for the UFB scheme was a big mistake.

Telecom have over charged us on mobile and broadband (and probably fixed line) for years and they are far more clever than the governments advisers / laywers etc 		Digby (677)
1322019 2013-01-10 18:41:00 Wow that's quite a big detailed document.

But I tried to understand some of it - it is very technical

You can just image all of our politcians being able to understands it

But a two page summary would have been great.

Alll I know is that letting Telecom (or Chorus) bid for the UFB scheme was a big mistake.

Telecom have over charged us on mobile and broadband (and probably fixed line) for years and they are far more clever than the governments advisers / laywers etc
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So you would leave it up the Vodafone and the money grabbing power companies to provide fiber?? 		paulw (1826)
1322020 2013-01-10 19:34:00 Mmm and no I don't believe its a derailment. My point is that if a regular phone line base costs around $45 and yet companies can do basic phone and broadband for $50, wouldn't you use that to assume the current pricing is "decent"?
Its the data that's the prohibiting factor.

Allowing Telecom to bid meant we didn't have the duplication of a lot of infrastructure. Mobile networks are a little different, they don't require every single road they service to be overhauled. Fiber does. NZ simply isn't big enough for that kind of duplication. 		Chilling_Silence (9)
1322021 2013-01-11 00:11:00 So if Telecom doing the ufb does not result in duplication, then we woull expect much lower charges from them ?

Also why do we accept this $45.00 land-line fee as acceptable?

If companies can provide nakedboad band for only a few dollars more, then it make the $45.00 landline fee look scandalous.

After it was built years ago and paid for years ago.

Now all they ahve to do is maintain it. 		Digby (677)
1322022 2013-01-11 00:58:00 Lower than it would otherwise be if they had to make up lost money between split companies, because they're both trying to do FTTH. Chorus was going to be doing FTTH anyway, as they had most of the infrastructure there with FTTN through Cabinetization.

Imagine there's 4.5 million people in this country, and you (Pretending you're Acme Co) price your FTTH packages starting from $60 a month, so that you'll recoup your investment / infrastructure layout costs in about 6-7 years.
Now, imagine that's split between two big competing companies, Chorus and Acme Co., both want to recoup their investment in under 10 years, and both have a 50/50 split. That means that the package cost would be around $80 in order to recoup it in 10 years.

Hypothetical numbers all across the board there but you get the point.

At the moment, Naked Broadband *costs* an additional $20 over and above the clothed broadband (It may be $19-ish but we'll say $20). Basically, raw cost to an ISP for Naked DSL is around $45 + data. Clothed DSL is around $25 + data. Figures are rounded, but ballpark, gives you an idea... This is taken from discussions with just under half a dozen ISPs in the past 12 months :) Some also get marginally better rates than others depending on volume, but not by much (That said, when you're talking *volume*, even just $2 is a significant saving if you've got over 10,000 customers!)

Now, you're mostly correct, the landline phone infrastructure was built decades ago, but I know for a fact the lines that are out my way are *shockingly awful* already after only 25 years... But yeah maintenance is the main part. However, on top of that, you also have the cost of the actual DSLAMs and things that go into the exchanges / cabinets. $150,000 is the ballpark cost of each of the 3,500 roadside "whisper" cabinets that Chorus have deployed.

Why do we accept $45? I dunno, probably the same reason we accept that $1,200 for an iPhone is an "Acceptable" price. Not everybody gets one though, but not everybody has a home line now either and many are opting for just a Cellphone.

Food for thought ;) 		Chilling_Silence (9)
1322023 2013-01-11 01:43:00 Probably a dumb question, but why aren’t we working totally through Mobile Networks?

From where I sit I’d guess that a Pole with a Cell Site would come cheaper than a heap of Cabinets and Cables? :confused: 		B.M. (505)
1322024 2013-01-11 01:46:00 Nah not a dumb question at all.

It kind of would be better in some regards, especially with LTE networks in the states, many people are opting to do just that (With the exception of the cost of 4G data being higher and it simply falling back to 3G speeds).
However there are things like latency to take into account which are infinitely better over *DSL or Fibre, but if you take a look at the RBI here in NZ, I believe a lot of that is going to be over 3G :) 		Chilling_Silence (9)
1322025 2013-01-11 02:28:00 As regards the RBI, it is supposed to involve the installation of 2 (apparently) cell sites here.
This could lead to slower speeds for everyone here, as Karamea is not fibre-connected
to the rest of you, it all, PSTN, ADSL (and any future Cellular backhaul)
would have to go out on the microwave? link to Westport, I believe.
That is why they intend to run fibre over the Karamea bluff (that'll be fun!)
as part of the RBI rollout (according to one document I've seen).
If this is the case our speeds here will decrease less in busy times
as there will be less of a bottle-neck (the microwave link).
There is no way this fibre or the cell sites would happen without the RBI
for that much I will be grateful.
Now that I've worn out the ( and the )
I'll leave you all in piece. :D 		KarameaDave (15222)
1322026 2013-01-12 00:37:00 Getting back to Key, as it has been said, voting in the first only encourages them.
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