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Thread ID: 128678	2013-01-08 04:51:00	So Key has finally lost my vote	DeSade (984)	PC World Chat

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1321997	2013-01-09 07:13:00	x1 The blind leading the blind JK- his followers next he will be venerated as a God King	gary67 (56)
1321998	2013-01-09 07:21:00	If telecom,chorus (or whatever alias they currently use) is involved costs will be excessive due to their extreme fondness for backing losers with the customers money. (Who has had more losing bets on their cellular systems?) The moment they were permitted into the UFB deal the rot was guaranteed to appear, which it promptly did. -- The equipment in the cabinets and exchanges has been upgraded I believe a grand total of 6x in total since Jetstream first became available in NZ in the year 2000. Perhaps if instead of putting the equipment in cabinets they mounted it on conveyors it could go straight from the "Wow. We should buy a lot of this!" meetings of the board to the recyclers without wearing out valuable bolts. However, the chances of either the Gov't or Teledum seeing anything other than greed signs is pretty slim when other parties keep flooding them with betting stakes.	R2x1 (4628)
1321999	2013-01-09 07:24:00	What costs? EDIT: I can promise I'm not pulling anything outta my ass, so just let me know and I'll clarify and find you the prices ;) Cost to supply the broadband what other costs did you think I meant as they are the only ones relevant in determining what is a fair price and so far I have seen no hard evidence anywhere as to what they are. I can only assume the commission had access to these.	mikebartnz (21)
1322000	2013-01-09 07:26:00	The blind leading the blind JK- his followers next he will be venerated as a God King No but a knightship or lordship wouldn't go a miss. Lord John Key of Parnell sounds good.	prefect (6291)
1322001	2013-01-09 07:30:00	. . . There are far too many realists who want something to be done right, but see the government f~~ everything and generally just kick holes in every perceived opportunity . It is laughably easy to find fault; it is almost impossible to come up with a sillier way of doing things . However, our fearless leaders will rise to the challenge and outdumb themselves . They always do . Our cricket team bases their strategy on them . FTFY ;)	R2x1 (4628)
1322002	2013-01-09 07:42:00	Perhaps if instead of putting the equipment in cabinets they mounted it on conveyors it could go straight from the "Wow. We should buy a lot of this!" meetings of the board to the recyclers without wearing out valuable bolts. However, the chances of either the Gov't or Teledum seeing anything other than greed signs is pretty slim when other parties keep flooding them with betting stakes. So let me get this straight, you would prefer to simply stay on ADSL1? You'd prefer they didn't re-invest money into the infrastructure? And finally, you'd prefer it was a significantly longer loop between you and the Exchange because there's no cabinets, which means even slower speeds still?! Because that's what it sounds like you're saying to me? Cost to supply the broadband what other costs did you think I meant as they are the only ones relevant in determining what is a fair price and so far I have seen no hard evidence anywhere as to what they are. I can only assume the commission had access to these. It's publicly available on a myraid of sites :p www.comcom.govt.nz The most significant part of the proposed full UBA price change is the reduction in the non-unbundled copper local loop (UCLL) component, which has reduced from $21.46 to $8.93 for the basic service. That cost right there is the cost of a *port* to rent from Chorus. Data is on top. I'm pretty confident there are other places on the Comcom website where you can pick up *complete* 100% details on all their pricing, from the cost of a port for BUBA vs EUBA, as well as the cost of sending out a Chorus technician if a fault is found, if no fault is found etc etc... Have a good dig around there, pricing is all there, but the $22 pricing is the key point here which they're wanting to reduce. That's the price that I'm saying it's stupid to reduce. The Commerce Commission (On that page) are also saying "We have a far too small data set, for a stupidly retarded way of doing this, but we HAVE to provide a figure, so here it is". The blind leading the blind JK- his followers next he will be venerated as a God King Care to explain?	Chilling_Silence (9)
1322003	2013-01-09 08:08:00	It's publicly available on a myraid of sites :p www.comcom.govt.nz That cost right there is the cost of a *port* to rent from Chorus. Data is on top. You don't seem to be reading what I have said properly as that gives the cost of the UCLL not the the cost to supply that UCLL by Chorus so there is no way of making an informed decision as to if the commission has been fair and until I see it I won't be deciding one way or another.	mikebartnz (21)
1322004	2013-01-09 08:09:00	So let me get this straight, you would prefer to simply stay on ADSL1? You'd prefer they didn't re-invest money into the infrastructure? And finally, you'd prefer it was a significantly longer loop between you and the Exchange because there's no cabinets, which means even slower speeds still?! Because that's what it sounds like you're saying to me? I am all for having better internet performance. If it is done by efficient site design then maybe ADSL1 might do well. However, if the equipment they buy for the cabinets is averaging a 2 year life cycle, (from your figures) it might be better to let the preschoolers select the equipment. Telecom will as always do what is best for Telecom and if they have to spend a few millions to thwart the other providers, then the Telecom users will have to stump up the $$. The theory that cutting up telecom might stop the nonsense has not worked any better than it did with the Hydra. If a clear headed decision was made to set equipment standards that last 6 years and the providers were set on a truly level pitch each setting their own equipment up we might get a little efficiency in the system. Admittedly with the government seemingly inevitably involved incompetence is assured. (If one postulated that the government were corrupt, at least it could be claimed that at least they were pretty good at that.) Assume our whole broadband plan was devised by Billy Connolly and it makes some sense.	R2x1 (4628)
1322005	2013-01-09 08:55:00	If the equipment was only upgraded every 6 years, we would be even further behind the 8 ball. The proposed cuts seem a bit excessive to me while Telecom are investing heavily in infrastructure upgrades, but I find it very scary to think that if John Key overrules the commerce commission this time, future governments are going to be inclined to do so again whenever it suits them.	Greven (91)
1322006	2013-01-09 11:43:00	So stick with dated technology for 6 years instead of upgrading it to the latest and greatest technology as it becomes available? When we got ADSL in NZ it hadn't even been around for 12 months, we were one of the "pioneering" countries. Seriously I can't believe some people... Hold us back further by not upgrading technology!?! Sounds like the same logic Chris Barton was using when he started complaining about roadworks for FTTH in one of his previous articles....	Chilling_Silence (9)
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