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| Thread ID: 128678 | 2013-01-08 04:51:00 | So Key has finally lost my vote | DeSade (984) | PC World Chat |
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| 1321977 | 2013-01-08 22:39:00 | Yeah I never thought I'd say this, but NZ First actually seem to be heading in the right direction with at least semi solid policies for the better good of the country as a whole. I'm probably looking towards them or the Conservatives. Can you name anyone in NZ First aside from Winston and Brendan Horan. |
Digby (677) | ||
| 1321978 | 2013-01-08 22:39:00 | Don't the Conservatives have Colin Craig as their leader? That immediately counts them out in my view. Why? What'd he do to you? Can you name anyone in NZ First aside from Winston and Brendan Horan. Nope, but I can't name anybody except for John Key and Paula Bennett in the National Party. Now that Helen is gone I dunno anybody except for Phil Twyford (Local MP) in Labour. I know labour have a few "Davids" but that's about it... I don't see your point? |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1321979 | 2013-01-08 22:40:00 | Why? What'd he do to you? He's a bit of an idiot and likes to retract statements... |
pcuser42 (130) | ||
| 1321980 | 2013-01-08 22:52:00 | He's a bit of an idiot and likes to retract statements... Hahaha name one politician who's not done likewise? If that's your basis for not voting for somebody, you'd best not vote at all ;) |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1321981 | 2013-01-08 23:25:00 | Yeah I never thought I'd say this, but NZ First actually seem to be heading in the right direction with at least semi solid policies for the better good of the country as a whole. I'm probably looking towards them or the Conservatives. Still, as it stands, for this article, I strongly believe its just more bitching and moaning from a writer with a solid history of it. Nothing to see here... Yes that’s how I see it. 2 out of 100 for NZ First, 1 out of 100 for Conservatives and minus values for the rest. :D As for the article, and ignoring the messenger, what are your thoughts on the message? Possibly on this occasion he may have a point? :confused: |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1321982 | 2013-01-08 23:29:00 | Yes that’s how I see it. 2 out of 100 for NZ First, 1 out of 100 for Conservatives and minus values for the rest. :D :D :D As for the article, and ignoring the messenger, what are your thoughts on the message? Possibly on this occasion he may have a point? :confused: Nup, I think he's missed the mark completely, again. There are ISPs who are selling phone and broadband for $50 a month right, for 5GB. Then you look at other ISPs like Telecom who have to pay the same wholesale cost, and sell 30GB for $75 Thats 25GB extra for $25 a month more. Tell me where the *real* cost lies here. I can promise you it's *not* the wholesale cost an ISP pays that is the problem. Finally, there are *many* users out there who are happy to pay a premium for a good quality product, it's not all just about the cost savings. I'm with 2talk paying a bit "extra" so I can have a bigger data cap (300GB) and I'm now also on VDSL2. I get faster speeds, and better pings (2talk routing is great!), more data, and I'm happy to pay that little bit extra for it. I'm happy for somebody to prove me wrong, but the real issue here is not the wholesale cost, if you ask me ;) EDIT: Clarifying: The wholesale charge talked about is the cost of a "Port" in the cabinet / exchange. Data (And the cost of it) being pushed over that circuit is always 100% independent from this. |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1321983 | 2013-01-09 00:11:00 | Tell me where the *real* cost lies here. I can promise you it's *not* the wholesale cost an ISP pays that is the problem. Without seeing any of the costs it is impossible to say but I dare say the commission had access to those costs when they made their decision but it does appear to be an unreasonable reduction so I am sorry but your promises don't really mean much until I see the figures which Chris Barton should have done. |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 1321984 | 2013-01-09 00:38:00 | ^^ You *can* see the costs. $22 a month currently. What more do you need to see? :p Everything else on top of that is data, backhaul, and company infrastructure (Such as support, building rental, phones, accounts etc). Yet magically this is something that Flip is able to include, in their $50 for phone line and broadband packages, as well as including 5GB of data. Everything else is pretty much 100% profit for ISPs as they milk the per-GB data costs. |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1321985 | 2013-01-09 01:28:00 | Well ignoring the implications of the WTO and GATS etc. the Commerce Commission has found: “that the wholesale price reduction from $21.46 a month to $8.93 a month is just and fair and actually fixes a long time rort perpetrated by Telecom, and now Chorus, to extract monopoly rents from the hapless telecommunications consumer”. Ok, assuming that the Commerce Commission had done a competent job with its investigation I can’t see what the argument can be. We are getting to see more and more of the government seeking direction on a matter and then when they don’t get the result that suits them simply over ruling it. Off the top of my head there was the No Smacking Referendum where 87% of the voters were over ruled to appease another political party. Then the also very expensive Bain Case where an International Judge of some repute was told by a Tax Lawyer he was considering incorrect facts (whatever they are). Now we have the governments very own Commerce Commission being over ruled by the absentee Prime Minister. It would seem that the only advice that Key takes is from the Waitangi Tribunal. :rolleyes: |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1321986 | 2013-01-09 01:35:00 | Or the CIA/FBI | gary67 (56) | ||
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