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174347 2003-09-10 06:13:00 Beetle

I have always had a good quality surge protector (over $100). However, on one occasion I lost a modem, and then on another occasion my new computer took almost half an hour to recover after a power surge. It was at that point that I decided to go out and get an UPS. A couple of months later my husband lost his harddrive (no data could be salvaged) as a result of a power surge (despite having a surge protector). Guess who now also has an UPS? Now I would never consider being without an UPS.

Oxie (Lyn)
Oxie (1318)
174348 2003-09-10 06:23:00 Believe it or not your PC can still be damaged by power surge with those so called "surge protectors" . :( Those protector will only protect sudden high power strike, but does not protect when external power drops or when it's fluctuating or when power increase slowly .

I've seen many people got their PC fried even though they said it's behind a surge protector .

But of course, having one is better than nothing as Graham L potined out earlier .

A better solution would be an UPS .

And of course to the extreme . . . :D

Surge Protector -> Power Conditioner -> UPS -> PC ]:)
SKT174 (1319)
174349 2003-09-10 06:27:00 The article linked below would probably benefit you all:

www.dansdata.com
Greg S (201)
174350 2003-09-10 06:27:00 the work puter has UPS . . . and thats why i thought i didnt need another surge protector for work but the salesmand didnt seem to pick up on that so i then thought i needed another one . . . . Duh!!!
ok so back to having one then,
so whay did the sales person say i needed one for the work one to? . . . . cos he didnt know what he was talking about i presume . . . . but then neither did I!!!!!

ok so i only need one off these things . . . .

need Goddie about now . . . so does that mean my phone line does something to . . . am going to have another look . . LOL

man me and computers are not a good mix . .

beetle
beetle (243)
174351 2003-09-10 08:42:00 spike/surge protectors and ups's do different jobs. idealy you need both. most ups's have built in spike protectors however they are normal poor. nothing worse than having your exspencive ups killed by a high voltage spike. tweak'e (174)
174352 2003-09-10 08:50:00 so the idea is for me to stop asking difficult questions then i dont get difficult talking in riddles answers????

ok so go and get 2 surge protectors tomorow i feel?

oh dear never mind another day tomorow .

thanxs tweak'e still not sure but it sounds good sense .

beetle
beetle (243)
174353 2003-09-10 09:16:00 Well in case the article I referred to was'nt read entirely, here's an extract on the point regarding using more than one device:

Things Not To Do

If you’ve got a UPS or SPS, don’t plug it into some other power filter and plug that into the wall. A quality UPS or SPS should be a perfectly good power filter by itself, and may not appreciate the other filter shorting spikes to ground for it. If you've got a cheapo SPS that doesn't filter power very well (or at all...), then another inline filter may be OK, but you'd do better to retire that SPS to the important task of keeping the VCR running through blackouts, and buy a better one for your computer.

Similarly, don’t use another filter between your SPS/UPS and the computer - that’s just unnecessary.
Greg S (201)
174354 2003-09-10 09:21:00 i did so but then tweak'e said something different.... :p

so was going by that

and i did note that you should not mix and match as it were items as they tend not to work effectively or at all... see!!!!!

just its too much for my sensibilities at moment.
and just wish i could chuck it in the bin and let the rubbish man come and get it at mo so not feeling very rational about computer stuff....

thanxs G S otherwise i did read your brilliant link not quite to the end as got interupted but life goes on

beetle
beetle (243)
174355 2003-09-10 09:23:00 ~~~~ :) ~~~~~ see in one ear and out the other... :p

beetle
beetle (243)
174356 2003-09-10 09:27:00 A surge protector will give a small degree of protection from power spikes . The amount of protection is relative to the price usually .

I have seen surge protector power strips that also include a single phone circuit spike protector as well .

That would normally protect the modem, by plugging the modem lead in via the device .

As to if you need one, well it depends on the power network . If a surge was caused by a car mowing down a power pole for instance, then the surge protector would be useless in most cases . It would fry as well .

I do not use a separate surge protector here, the entire low voltage network is underground, and any nasties coming from the high voltage part of the Network would certainly take out the surge diverter as well .

To give you a comparison, the powerlines here are capable of a surge equating to 3,000 horsepower instantaneously . Thats quite normal .

Visualise for a moment how powerful that much energy would be (100 car engines at full throttle) and ask yourself "will this little plastic cased surge diverter device stop that"?

I do run a UPS here, which as tweak'e says, has a simple surge diverter in it as well . But I run it to protect from data loss .

But to answer your question beetle, yes I would consider a surge diverter on the phone and the power lead in your case, simply on the basis that I do not know enough about the network supplying your installation to judge otherwise .

It will make you feel a little more comfortable as well probably .

Just don't expect the impossible from one, they work on smaller surges (spikes) only .

And you will never "see" those spikes either, they last about 1/100th of a second .
godfather (25)
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