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| Thread ID: 128854 | 2013-01-19 21:28:00 | Gay marriage leads to crime | plod (107) | PC World Chat |
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| 1323768 | 2013-01-22 03:12:00 | Can we -not- add ethnicity to the list of things we're arguing about in the thread? I mean, I get your point, Chill, which is that homosexuality appears to be an independant variable for crime, rather than a dependent one. But lets just take that point and run with it. | Zara Baxter (16260) | ||
| 1323769 | 2013-01-22 03:20:00 | Can we -not- add ethnicity to the list of things we're arguing about in the thread? I mean, I get your point, Chill, which is that homosexuality appears to be an independant variable for crime, rather than a dependent one. But lets just take that point and run with it. Awwww :( You know I love to fan the flames though! ;) |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1323770 | 2013-01-22 03:23:00 | Awwww :( You know I love to fan the flames though! ;) Flames are abnormal and unnatural. They're a perversion of nature! :P |
Zara Baxter (16260) | ||
| 1323771 | 2013-01-22 03:30:00 | What you did there... I saw it Zara! Just look at what they did to Oz rencently! |
lordnoddy (3645) | ||
| 1323772 | 2013-01-22 04:22:00 | Is remaining unsubjugated, untamed, unbridled, uncontained, free, unconstrained, unfettered, uncontrolled, wild, untameable ... and in possession of a thesaurus natural? | the_bogan (9949) | ||
| 1323773 | 2013-01-22 04:25:00 | Because their family values still revolve around the tradition family.... This is true, and a lot of Samoan families are religious one way or another and teach a *lot* of respect. |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1323774 | 2013-01-22 04:32:00 | This is true, and a lot of Samoan families are religious one way or another and teach a *lot* of respect. Yes, and they should be emulated. As far as I'm aware Samoans are also more tolerant of their offspring, than members of this forum are for example, of gays in general. |
WalOne (4202) | ||
| 1323775 | 2013-01-22 05:05:00 | Tolerant yes, endorsing no. goo.gl |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1323776 | 2013-01-22 05:41:00 | Tolerant yes, endorsing no . Good point . But it's a lot more complex than that: Fa'afafine role in Samoan society Fa'afafine are known for their hard work and dedication to the family, in the Samoan tradition of tautua . Ideas of the family in Samoa and Polynesia are markedly different from Western constructions of family, and include all the members of a sa, or a communal family within the fa'amatai family systems . [3] It is a mistake to attribute a Western interpretation and mislabel the fa'afafine as "gay" or "homosexual" . In Samoa, the people claim that there is no such thing as being "gay" or "homosexual . "[1] Fa'afafine, as a third gender, have sexual relationships almost exclusively with men who do not identify as Fa'afafine, and sometimes with women . This third gender is so well accepted in Samoan culture that most Samoans state that they have friendship relationships with at least one Fa'afafine . Traditionally Fa'afafine follow the training of a women's daily work in an Aiga . [1][4] Being a fa'afafine is said to be thoroughly enjoyable by this group . Many would state that they "loved" engaging in feminine activities as children, such as playing with female peers, playing female characters during role play, dressing up in female clothes, and playing with female gender-typical toys . This is in contrast to women who stated that they merely "liked" engaging in those activities as children . [1] Some fa'afafine recall believing they were girls in childhood, but knew better as adults . There is little to no ridicule of or displeasure with a biologically male child who states he is a girl in Samoa . For instance, one study showed only a minority of parents (20%) tried to stop their fa'afafine sons from engaging in feminine behavior . Being pushed into the male gender role is upsetting to many fa'afafine . A significant number stated that they "hated" masculine play, such as rough games and sports, even more than females did as children . [1] :2cents: |
WalOne (4202) | ||
| 1323777 | 2013-01-22 05:51:00 | I mean, as far as I'm aware, there are less homosexual Maori vs homosexual Pakeha, I wouldn't put any money on that Chill. |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
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