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Thread ID: 128854	2013-01-19 21:28:00	Gay marriage leads to crime	plod (107)	PC World Chat

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1323758	2013-01-22 02:41:00	I don't believe that. I think it would be only a relatively small percentage that are born gay and the rest are just affected by their upbringing. Yeah, I have always wondered that, thought it was supposed to be via birth, however reading another forum, some gay guy was saying how him and his partner were considering sperm donating to the partners gay sister & partner for children..... I asked him the odds of two gay siblings, bad genes, bad luck or just suspect environment......	SolMiester (139)
1323759	2013-01-22 02:42:00	Wow, miss the point much? Nope your missing the point. There is no hard evidence that gays are increasing crime rates. Its people like you that over dramatise things too much. www.radionz.co.nz	QW. (15883)
1323760	2013-01-22 02:46:00	And here is an interesting blog post on the gay crime subject Gay marriage is not dangerous to NZ society. Garth McVicars and the Sensible sentencing Trust is. It should be a national source of cringe worthy shame that McVicars has the sort of political and media clout that he does. No other group has done more to degrade the dialogue about crime and punishment than McVicar and his Sensible Sentencing Trust tumeke.blogspot.co.nz	QW. (15883)
1323761	2013-01-22 02:46:00	I am absolutely appalled at this attitude. Obviously it originates from you finding the thought of two females having physical relations with each other titillating and therefore acceptable. How incredibly selfish. Being female, I doubt you would ever understand what he was talking about and its nothing to do with enjoying lesbian girl action.	SolMiester (139)
1323762	2013-01-22 02:47:00	Sorry bud, but thats just the catch phase friends of Dorothy use to rile hetersexual men who are homophobic. Even still, I think you'll find there is truth behind it... Being female, I doubt you would ever understand what he was talking about and its nothing to do with enjoying lesbian girl action. It's exactly what he said a few posts later actually... <snip> Lesbian activity makes me hot they seem naturally inclined to each other.	lordnoddy (3645)
1323763	2013-01-22 03:01:00	ainf? abnormal - please define this, in the context of this thread? How about, outside the bounds for which it was designed.	SolMiester (139)
1323764	2013-01-22 03:04:00	Nope your missing the point. There is no hard evidence that gays are increasing crime rates. Its people like you that over dramatise things too much. www.radionz.co.nz Still missing the point....the point was gay marriages to FURTHER erode the the moral backbone of the family unit, not about gays committing crime.	SolMiester (139)
1323765	2013-01-22 03:08:00	I would argue that crime rates have little to do with gay marriage, and more to do with a cultural / social upbringing, parenting, peer pressure and hard financial times. I mean, as far as I'm aware, there are less homosexual Maori vs homosexual Pakeha, yet Maori lead in crime rates (Regardless of if you think that's just coz they're most commonly caught or not caught red-handed) There's also just as few homosexual Samoan in this country, but Samoans contribute very little to crime rates.	Chilling_Silence (9)
1323766	2013-01-22 03:09:00	This thread is really on a hiding to nothing. However it seems to me that many if not most posters don't seem to have read what the original link said what Garth McVicar is reported as having said. He did not directly say as Plod seems to think that "Gay marriage leads to crime", or even as the stuff headline says "Lobbyist links gay marriage to crime rise in NZ" He appears to be saying that the law to allow same sex marriage will lead to further erosion of basic morals and values in society, and then goes on to link the decline in morals and erosion of the traditional family with increased social problems and crime. The discussion should be around whether same sex marriage leads to diminishing morals and social structure. From my point of view, I could make a better case for a correlation between rising rates of obesity and rising crime rates :) Hoorah, we have someone who can read.....Well done Terry!	SolMiester (139)
1323767	2013-01-22 03:10:00	I would argue that crime rates have little to do with gay marriage, and more to do with a cultural / social upbringing, parenting, peer pressure and hard financial times. I mean, as far as I'm aware, there are less homosexual Maori vs homosexual Pakeha, yet Maori lead in crime rates (Regardless of if you think that's just coz they're most commonly caught or not caught red-handed) There's also just as few homosexual Samoan in this country, but Samoans contribute very little to crime rates. Because their family values still revolve around the tradition family....	SolMiester (139)
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